Based on my experience, I have noticed a tendency for hot-headed-ness among many Hispanics. The case is not to be decided based on perceived ethnic tendencies and stereotypes.
Sure they can. Martin is covering Zimm's mouth. Zimm knocks his arm away and uses the opening to call out. Martin re-applies muffle. Rinse and repeat.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161 If true, I would say he is justified in fearing for his life. Two black eyes means he was repeatedly hit straight in the face.
This thread has shown your lack of respect for authority. You've repeatedly supported disrespecting law enforcement in this thread.
ACtually there's been equal proof that TM or GZ attacked the other. That's only based on Zimmerman's testimony, and other witness testimony. Some points to Zimmerman being the attacker, and some pointing to Martin being the attacker. Sadly you've already made up your mind and aren't waiting for evidence to be proven and argued in court. What a shame.
Your post is in error. I haven't made up my mind or any judgement other than GZ needs to get his story out in trial. Of course you have been shown to not wait for the evidence calling TM not innocent, and other things of this nature. You've been exposed so many times in this thread which makes it pretty much like every thread you post in.
Does anyone here think with the current evidence they can convict Zimmerman of murder? I am not asking who thinks who is guilty, but can the prosecution prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not afraid for his life, and acted unlawfully? We will likely NEVER know the truth about that night. We have virtually no witnesses, the only guy who could corroborate Zimmerman's story is dead. Personally, based on all the evidence I have seen, I think both are victims of circumstance. There are a lot of factors that everyone seems to be ignoring. Zimmerman didn't just follow Martin because he looked suspicious. He followed him because hit fit the description (albeit a weak description) of the suspects wanted for 8 previous burglaries in recent weeks. One of which Zimmerman called the cops on and they didn't arrive in time (that house was later broken into 2 weeks later). Is this Martin's fault? Absolutely not. Even if the kid was stoned, he didn't do anything wrong. Weed doesn't make people aggressive. I think it made him a little more paranoid than he already would have been after noticing someone following you in a neighborhood you're unfamiliar with. No one can deny that Zimmerman did anything illegal up until the point of interaction with Martin. We don't know what happened at that point. But too many of you are unwilling to get past the point that Zimmerman followed Martin in the first place. It only turned out to be bad judgement because Martin was innocent and was unarmed. Zimmerman couldn't have known this. So like I said, I think both are victims of circumstance. It's very reasonable to think that Martin approached (not attacked first) Zimmerman to ask why he was following him. So again, who thinks the prosecution actually stands a chance of a murder conviction with the current evidence?
Based on the current evidence, I would think the best shot of conviction would be manslaughter not Murder 2. But I'll wait and see all the evidence. I'm sure the prosecutor had a reason for going for the charge she did. I have no idea what it was, and why she'd do that, but it is what it is.
Even if Martin was guilty of robbing 3 dozen homes the very night of the incident, it was bad judgement for Zimmerman to follow him after being told not to by the dispatcher. @Kingcheetah, sorry but the message the dispatcher used was clear to any reasonable person. The words "we don't need you to do that" don't change the meaning that was clearly intended.
When I have been followed in the middle of night by a suspicious young latino in his car, I am not going to walk up to his car and ask questions. If he gets out the vehicle and catches up to me, I am going to fight back. There are too many people being beaten, robbed, or kidnapped.
If I am being followed in the middle of night by a suspicious young latino in his car, I am not going to walk up to his car and ask questions. If he gets out the vehicle and catches up to me, I am going to fight back. There are too many people being beaten, robbed, or kidnapped. I have avoided potentially dangerous situations, while being followed home at night. I used to take the bus home to the Convent House shelter. If I was being followed, I would cross the street, turn the corner, and run. One time, this guy followed me in his vehicle from one parking lot to another in his vehicle over on Westheimer and Montrose. I crossed the street, and he made a U-turn. I ran to the Walgreens over there and went out the back and made it back to the Convenant House shelter. Sure, I could have approached his car and asked him why he was following me. Of course, I could have also ended up with a stolen wallet and a bullet in the head. 0 You can call me paranoid, but people get robbed, beaten, and killed everyday by suspicious individuals following them. I survived. Things didn't turn out for that lady in the Woodlands, when a strange woman drove up to her. http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...abducted-found-safe-mom-killed-at-3489348.php
Sorry, but what is your point? You wouldn't have approached the guy, I may or may not have, it doesn't matter. It's not unreasonable to think that Martin DID approach Zimmerman. Kids do stupid things, some think they're bigger and stronger than everyone else and no one can stop them...did Martin play any sports? I'm not saying he did approach him. I am saying it is not at all unreasonable to think that he could have. You can't prove anything either way, which is why I keep asking if anyone here actually thinks they can convict Zimmerman of murder...
You had no proof that he was paranoid or approached Zimmerman. Quit making up stuff. It's not paranoid, if you really are being followed anyway.
I didn't make up a single thing. I said it is LIKELY he was paranoid for 2 reasons. One he may have just smoked, two, he was being followed. I didn't blame it on Martin. If you stop paying attention to all the media hoopla and look at the known facts, you can not prove Zimmerman is guilty of murder in the eyes of the law. Yes, he killed an unarmed kid, but if his story can't be refuted you can't convict him of murder. Why does everyone find it so unreasonable that a 17 year old would approach someone who is following them? I don't know if he did, I just know that the media is claiming he didn't with absolutely no proof. I look at the facts, then I fit a story around those facts. I don't claim my story to be anything but a possible scenario of the events that took place that evening.
You critcize the media for speculation and assumptions, but then you go on with your own speculation and theories about him being on weed and paranoid and approaching him. You have no evidence on any of those statements. It's all speculation and hoopla about the mar1juana and paranoia. It was already proven to be too low to play a role in his behavior. Here is the word from a professor of forensic science at John Joy College of Criminal Justice. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...on-zimmermans-head-thc-found-in-martins-body/ Pot calling the kettle black. SMH. Speculation gone wild.
I don't get it. Listening to the 911 call, the intent of the dispatcher was clear. Anyone who heard that should have been able to tell that the dispatcher did not want GZ following TM. As has been pointed out, the dispatcher is not allowed to give orders only to convey the course of action that the authorities would like done. I do agree it could have been done more effectively, but having heard the call, it didn't leave any doubt what the directions were.
Seriously, wtf are you talking about? I have not taken either side. Time and time again I have said the evidence available is not enough to CONVICT Zimmerman of murder. I have also said that no one knows what happened that night, that the media's portrayal of Zimmerman attacking Martin has not been corroborated. I never said Zimmerman was innocent, or Martin was innocent of starting the fight. Excuse me for speculating OTHER Possibilities. However, I never, not once, attempted to pass them off as facts. I have offered up several scenarios to explain what happened that night, some have involved Martin as the aggressor, others as Zimmerman. The part about him being paranoid or on weed. Maybe you weren't aware of the toxicology report, but he had THC in his system, and when I offered my scenario which involved him being paranoid, I said it was a possibility. I am sorry that you can't accept any other possibilities other than those offered to you by the media, who have been proven to be about as biased as one can be. Quit shaking your head and actually read what I am saying, the constant movement isn't allowing you to comprehend apparently.
