Miami breaking up the big three if they lose in 2nd round?

Lebron for Howard

 

Yeah, before any trade happens to split them up the coach will go as the first attempted solution.

Would Riley go after Phil or just try it again himself? Also, I'm tired of PJax's name brought up when a team is perfectly set up for him with 2-3 stars. Damn you zen master!

 

Pat Riley hiring Phil Jackson would be like the Hatfields asking the McCoys to help them with their whiskey recipe.

They HATE each other. Intensely, and it goes both ways, I hear.

 

why would he? they didn't make it out of the first round for 4 years and then made the finals in the 1st year of the big 3 and would have most likely made the finals this year if not for bosh's injury. i would think for the big 3 to "fail" they have to at least all be playing, not have one injured. and going from "strategy that when healthy probably gets us to the finals" to "new strategy" is certainly very risky. it's not just an ego thing. as the rockets have fairly well proven, bringing in solid role players is a hell of a lot easier to accomplish than getting the stars. letting go of the stars should be fairly last resort, not done because someone got injured.

yeah, he might get you the best package, but he's younger than wade, better than wade, and has the same contract. giving up the more underpaid player in a much stricter cap environment doesn't help a lot. and he's the same age as bosh basically so you have a longer window with those 2 than bosh and wade and presumably even after last night wade would still fetch you quite a bit.

think about? they're getting offers like brook lopez and draft picks. i'm guessing they might be willing to trade for lebron.

bosh's injury isn't a scapegoat, it's just a point of fact. look at the spurs. they look like a juggernaut this year and last year they lost to the 8th seed basically because ginobili was banged up. not even out the whole series, just ineffective.

has any team lost a max contract/all-star type guy and still won it all? i'm trying to think of an example. the bulls always had jordan and pippen and rodman/grant. the rockets had hakeem, drexler and every major role player. the lakers always had shaq and kobe. the spurs haven't had any significant injuries in any of their 4 (probably about to be 5) title runs and when they did have injuries they didn't do much. the pistons in '04 didn't, the heat in '06 didn't (they were banged up in '05 and lost), the celtics and mavs recently didn't. the showtime lakers, bird/mchale/parish celtics, and bad boy pistons didn't i don't think. and when people did go down, they generally lost. maybe bynum missing some time on the lakers first recent title is about the worst thing that's happened to anybody but otherwise most of those teams didn't even have role players missing time.

so saying the big 3 have failed 2 years in after a finals appearance and then only 2 of the 3 playing doesn't seem to be a matter of ego but rather of prudence.

 

This... everyone hates on indiana for being a solid team lackin a superstar... granger has been as clowe as kmart(in his glory days) to being a star... hibbert is a beast and will be an allstar next year and sign a mac contract this offseason... indiana has star players, its just hard to realize because the supporting cast is real good and not tremendously worse like other teams who have players shine without solid supporting cast...

 

you forgot that extra ingredient. you've gone from seeming pretty reasonable at the start of the series to talking the pacers up like crazy now that bosh is injured as if indiana's success was inevitable either way. it would be like sixers fans talking up their team building strategy because they beat the bulls (see, having the #1 pick is overrated). yes, the pacers have a very nice team, but traditionally it doesn't do much more than get you to the 2nd round where the superstar team beats you. but significant injuries certainly can change that.

 

And if miami decided to move one of the big3 they would turn to orlando for the next big3... orlando would love either bosh or wade compared to anything else out there except bynum/gasol combo...

 

I think just like everyone was way too early to disregard the Pacers as a legit threat to the Heat, everyone is now writing the eulogy for Miami prematurely. A team with Lebron and Wade is not going to go down without a fight.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Look, you're having fun now, right? Time of your life, huh kid?

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I'm glad the Pacers are playing well and currently beating Miami. I hope they can close them out. They're fun to watch, no question about it.

But make no mistake. Even if they end up coming out of the East - still not a forgone conclusion by any means - no way to they win more than a game against the spurs or Sonics...I mean Hornets...I mean Thunder. (still confuses me...)

A team without a superstar HOF'er winning a championship happens once every 33 years. That's not the way to build a contender.

 

Another thing people should consider is Miami is not fighting with all of their horses. Why would you break up a team that has looked really good in the playoffs over the last two seasons, because you lose early in playoffs without one of your best players?


There's a way to make it work with all 3 and supplementary pieces. It's more of a matter of finding the right supplementary pieces, little by little. This team just made it to the Finals, last year and probably was on their way towards the Finals, again with the trio. It does not make sense to go out and start trading for lesser players who aren't going to make that much of difference unless they are all-star to very good quality themselves.

Miami's biggest need is their bench and more so at starting center, above all else.

Chalmers is passable as point guard, unless you can find a player who is a really good mid-range and 3 point shooter, who can play defense - role player point guard. Lebron and D-Wade already handle the ball most of the time, the Heat do not need a guy who also wants the ball in his hands. Dragic and Lowry, both don't seem to do as well without the ball in their hands. Though, Dragic is a better shooter and possibly defender, but too expensive and he likes the ball in his hands.


With Scola and Dalembert, they are getting older, while you lose out on Bosh's versatility and dynamic scoring. Everyone says that they might get better defensively with Dalembert, yet do you remember how many posters were calling for Dalembert's head mid-season. His inconsistency were much too noted. Furthermore, the team solved this by trading for Marcus Camby, who is a solid center, but aging. We trading Dalembert, even though we need a center for next year. Funny.

Patrick Patterson, more dead weight for the Heat's roster. Ok player, but not what the Heat. They need size or another dynamic

Kevin Martin is intriguing and matches up well with LeBron or Bosh, but he is not the complete player that D-Wade is. Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry at their best does not eclipse Dwyane Wade. At full strength, Wade could've carried last year's Rockets team to the playoffs. You'd lose bonafide prime-time player for a players who are essentially above-average, but not overwhelming or are even great at one particular thing.

 

True, but no one saw LeBron and Bosh coming to Miami until it happened either. Stranger things have definitely happened.

 

Because when you have the best player in the league paired with another guy in the top 5 and the third guy in top 20 you expect immediate results. Anything less than that is a failure injuries or not. Furthermore, when you have those 3 big names and contracts it's hard to add supplementary pieces. Losing in the 2nd round would be a monumental FAIL for the Heat.

 

they SHOULD trade wade, but they won't.

 

well...

 

I know Bosh and Spoelstra are gone.

 

LeBron for Howard is a win win trade. I've said that for 2 years now. As good as Wade is, he's 30 and injury-prone, not exactly that attractive.

 

Wade is injury prone. He will break down the moment the plane lands in Houston.

 

They need a new front office and head coach.

 

Holy jumped up jesus.

65M for THREE players in 2015? Yeah, good luck with getting anyone worth a damn to play with those three. They would have to fill in the entire roster with minimum vets or rookie scale guys.