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[ClutchFans] Rockets will seek Dwight Howard trade... again

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, May 15, 2012.

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  1. J.R.

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    #281 J.R., May 17, 2012
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  2. Da Wink

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    kinda funny that if we get Dwight, he's gonna host another all star party..back to back..:p
     
    #282 Da Wink, May 17, 2012
  3. meh

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    It's pretty funny how they seem to like our players better than we do. :)
     
    #283 meh, May 17, 2012
  4. J.R.

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    Magic fan forum somewhat discussing it. Starts on P76.


     
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  5. DaDakota

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    Sounds like Dave is saying that Dwight opted in to stop from being traded to Houston- ugh...DOUBLE UGH !!!

    And now Dwight has a bad back.....

    DD
     
    #285 DaDakota, May 17, 2012
  6. DaDakota

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    The thing that makes the most sense it he Brook Lopez being routed to Houston, that has Morey written all over it.

    DD
     
    #286 DaDakota, May 17, 2012
  7. J.R.

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    Houston Facilitators strike again!

    :p
     
    #287 J.R., May 17, 2012
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    I wonder what would have been required to pickup Lopez. I'd still be happy with picking him up in a trade.
     
    #288 BigBenito, May 17, 2012
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    HORRID rebounder and not a go to guy in the clutch.. not sure why people are high on this guy
     
    #289 val_modus, May 17, 2012
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    Because I've had to watch Dalembert and Perkins in the low post.
     
    #290 BigBenito, May 17, 2012
  11. cooliobob

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    There is a reason why the rockets involvement in talks wasn't even mentioned in the national media. Houston outlets reported a done deal, yet nobody else outside of Houston reported anything that would even suggest that.

    While it would be great to have a player like Dwight, this false hope thing has gotten out of hand. It seems like the only thing the Rockets "assets" are good for these days is picking up the scraps while being the facilitator in a megadeal. It's probably time we set our sights on something new or a different strategy altogether.
     
    #291 cooliobob, May 17, 2012
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    You typically dont want your go to guy in the clutch being a post up player ......I mean we saw how that worked out with Yao and he was one of the best scoring Bigs to ever play the game.

    Lopez has upside, can run the floor, shoots better than most and can block the heck out of the shots.

    We acquire Howard we still dont have the go to guy in the clutch....but I guarantee getting him would open the door for us to do just that.
     
    #292 megastahr, May 17, 2012
  13. J.R.

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    To be fair, no one in Houston, no media outlets, reported this to be a done deal, not at the trade deadline and not now. Not that I saw anyways. Only now after Clutch talked to the front office or people in the front office did this come out. And no, I don't think people should go after Clutch for posting this. Could he or should he have not posted this? Perhaps. Heck, I'm not sure many even believe this is true, that it's just a show(which I also can't blame people for feeling that way either) but he was just passing along word from people in the front office.

    Getting back on track, the only ones who thought it was a done deal were those in the front office. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. Again, maybe it is all just made up just so they can look good and say 'Hey, we tried!'. They can't sell you on winning, they can't sell you on the playoffs, they can't sell you on much right now. So maybe this is them saying 'We're trying, we tried hard!, don't give up on us yet!" They know fans are getting fed up not only with missing the playoffs and having the 14th pick 3 years in a row but all the talking they do too. People are tired of talk, the same talk year after year.
     
    #293 J.R., May 17, 2012
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    Clutch is the messenger, leave him be. But there's a lot of truth in this post.
     
    #294 TEXNIFICENT, May 17, 2012
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    Interesting to see comments from Orlando fans. The obvious reply though:

    If Howard was going to be traded to Los Angeles or Brooklyn if he didn't opt-in... why didn't he end up in Los Angeles or Brooklyn? :confused:

    He wanted a deal to one of those teams the whole time ... until it was about to happen?

    I don't know Otis Smth. I don't know people with the Magic... or the Nets... or the Lakers. I do know plenty with the Rockets though.

    I think you said it better what I wanted to say in the article -- there is a big difference between the trade deadline and this summer. If he goes on the block and if he's healthy, more teams will consider a full year of him over a mid-season short-term dumpoff.

    The Lakers could fall in this series and change their mind (though if I'm not mistaken, Andrew Bynum is a free agent in 2013). The same with the Clippers. If the Nets land a top 3 pick, that's going to be hard to compete with. We'll see how things shape up in the next month or two.

    But as for the past trade deadline, I don't think it's outrageous at all to think how close the Rockets were. Houston made themselves unique in that they didn't care if Howard was willing to re-sign or not. Considering there were 5-6 weeks left in a season, who is going to pony up big for that unless they can re-sign him?

    The Rockets. Because apparently, like the honey badger, they don't give a...

    And again, as I slip into pure speculation mode -- this is exactly the kind of thing in the new CBA that throws a wrench into the superstar-forces-a-trade-to-desired-location thing that Carmelo executed under the old CBA. If you are a free-agent-to-be and you are not on the team you want to be on once the trade deadline passes, then you can't maximize your earnings -- you can't get max raises/years from anyone else using the sign-and-trade route. That loophole is closed. It's the difference between a five-year, $98M deal or a four-year, $73M contract.

    Ask yourself a few questions.

    1. If Howard did not opt-in, was he going to be traded that day?

    2. What teams were willing to trade for him at that point?

    3. If Howard wanted to go to Dallas, New Jersey or Los Angeles, why didn't he end up there? If Orlando was willing to take a deal from one of those teams, wouldn't Dwight have just ... done it? So why did Howard agree to not exercise his opt-out clause 12 hours before the trade deadline? Unheard of. Sure, Chris Paul did it, but that was a condition of the trade that he would gladly accept in order to move to the West Coast. Something doesn't fit. Howard could have done the same thing later in the year. In my mind, no one gives up that flexibility at that time for no good reason unless they had to give an answer right then. That means the possibility of a trade, and if that trade was to a team that he wanted to go to, why would he have balked?

    Obviously Orlando preferred one more year of Dwight than the offers they had, but if they had to deal him, I'm betting they were going to. If you want to get real conspiracy theory-ish, I guess you could make a claim that Orlando used the Rockets to leverage Dwight, but we are way out in Speculationville now.

    I understand the frustration of some who are tired of talk or being "close." Personally, I'm fed up myself... I'd have a lot more patience if they were picking up good draft picks every year, but the auto-pilot mode they're in has me frustrated. But this is not something that the Rockets force-fed to me, I can promise you that. I highly doubt they would want any of this out there anyway as it doesn't exactly make them look good or sell season tickets ... I'm sure they love my "no superstar wants to play here" speculation. I sought out this answer about Howard because it had been rumored for weeks -- I spelled out everything I knew step-by-step in the article.

    However, personally I think the Rockets have better trade assets this year than they have had the past few years. I'd probably rank it as:

    (I didn't put Luis Scola in there because I don't have a clue how to rank him, to be honest... but these are the assets I think would be valuable to just about all teams)

    1. Kyle Lowry
    2. Kevin Martin
    3. Donatas Motiejunas
    4. Chandler Parsons
    5. Pick 14
    6. Patrick Patterson
    7. Pick 16
    8. Marcus Morris
    9. Sergio Llull
    10. Samuel Dalembert's trade-friendly contract ($7M out, only $1.5M guaranteed)

    But the overall point here is the Rockets have to go for the best options first, and they'll give the Dwight Howard pursuit another hard run if Orlando can't extend him and opts to deal him.
     
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    I think its probably high time we close this thread before somebody proposes we trade our whole roster for Kevin Durant.
     
    #296 cooliobob, May 17, 2012
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    So there is hope
     
    #297 tinman, May 17, 2012
  18. cooliobob

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    To answer clutch's question about dwight going to the lakers, it was widely reported that he had a problem being 2nd banana to Kobe and he felt as though his "shine" would take a hit. I don't think the Nets deal was ever that attractive to the Magic and they probably wanted more out of a deal than simply Brook Lopez.
     
    #298 cooliobob, May 17, 2012
  19. Carl Herrera

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    My theory is that many Magic fans are just tired of Dwight by now and are just in the "Sure, whatever, lets do it" mode with respect to any trade rumors.
     
    #299 Carl Herrera, May 17, 2012
  20. supa

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    Actually I bet that Morey figured he could clear enough room to sign D-Williams in the offseason as well. He was probably willing to play a Dwight do you want to go NJ and play with D-Will or D-Will do you want to come to Texas and play with Dwight.
     
    #300 supa, May 17, 2012
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