Is Mack Brown the most overrated coach in college football

That's a decent point. But it wasn't until Brown's 6th season at UNC that he got 10 wins.

 

Something that they haven't done since he left.....u serious or trolling?

Texas was butt-awful from about the mid 80's to the late 90's with the occasional outllier year under Mackovic. Cyclical? I guess...but most coaches aren't given 15 year cycles to figure it out....

 

Yeah - he's more of a program builder than an instant turnaround guy with X's and O's. Even at Texas, he took several years to break through and make a BCS Bowl and win the conference. But once he gets there, he's pretty good at demonstrating it's not a fluke.

 

Also, includes 0 ACC championships during his tenure. And he has only won 2 Big XII championships. The wins are nice, but are less impressive in terms of championships.

 

OK so move the goalposts that's fine..nobody cares. Not really certain what your angle is, but obviously the guy is a very successful coach whose teams have succeeded where others have failed.

 

I never doubted his ability as a coach. He is a very good/successful coach. But I do feel that he is overrated a bit. I thought the Adelman comparison earlier was good: a ton of wins, but not a whole lot to show for it (and yes, I know a national championship is a huge deal, but for how much praise and $$$ he gets, you'd think he'd have more conf/nat'l championships). Again, Brown is a great coach, but the argument here is if he is overrated or not.

 

Texas does just recruit itself now. Back before Mack got there, Austin wasn't that great of a city. Austin has evolved and with things like the LHN and big money coming in, Austin does recruit itself.

 

Austin was a BETTER city before Mack got there... have you ever been to Texas before?

 

You can argue though, that UT recruits itself because of what Brown has done since he's gotten there. He has turned the program into a money-making machine, without him, there is likely no LHN.

 

Overrated by who? What is his appropriate rating?

The term overrated is frequently overrated. I think he's just basically rated.

 

Highest paid coach in NCAA, for one. And I believe that compensation should be based on performance, and not "how much he brings in revenue". We all know that UT makes a ridiculous amount of money, but now it is to the point where any coach can go there and the university can make bank. I don't consider myself a Mack Brown hater as a coach, either. I can't stand the guy, but he is a damn good coach/recruiter.

 

So...salary...What do you think the de facto CEO of the most profitable cash cow in the history of college athletics should be paid then?

 

Which is why I said based on performance. UT is to the point that you can put anyone on the sideline and the school will still make money. It's the same with many of the top programs in the nation. If you believe that he is the best coach, then he should make the most money, but IMO there are coaches who are undoubtedly better than him at coaching, and some you can make an argument for. As I said earlier, he is great at selling the UT program and what he has done is truly great, but I still feel that he is overrated.

 

What? How does the LNH make Austin a better city? That doesn't even make any sense.

Nothing changed in Austin from 1996 to 1998, and yet the recruiting dramatically changed. The idea that Austin is what's doing the recruiting is just silly.

 

That's simply not true, as demonstrated by any number of programs when they stop having success (Florida State comes to mind). Success breeds expectations - and when a team fails to meet those expectations, they'll get hit pretty hard financially.

 

So 13-12 the last 2 seasons is successful under UT's stnadards? Sure, it's a short time frame, but how many years of being outside of the top 25 will it take? And Mack Brown just got an extension this past January through 2020

 

So if he has a great season this coming season is he no longer overrated?

Honestly, I can't believe we're having this discussion. The state of UT football was mediocre AT BEST before Mack Brown...and had been since Fred Akers. Mack has the program relevant in a way that surpasses anything since Darryl Royal.

 

Haha. Good point. Everything is a what have you done for me lately anyway, but people act like Mack Brown put Texas on the map, and that simply isn't true. UT had tradition before Brown and will have tradition long after he is gone. He didn't play the Chris Petersen role at UT. He revived the program (which many other coaches have done), but every top level team goes through poor decades and great decades.

 

No argument...but they tried quite a few coaches after Akers (who most UT folx hated anyway) before they got it right. Clearly not everyone can do what Mack Brown has done...and he's been rewarded for that. Good for him. To me, college football is a lot more interesting when the Texas Longhorns are nationally relevant. For most of my life they weren't, before Mack. They are again, and he's the man where the buck stops.

 

I'm pretty sure UT had much less income from tickets and merchandise these last two years than the previous years, and likely lower alumni donations. If that trend continues, then you'll see an even more significant drop off.

I got multiple emails offering additional tickets to some of the games at well under face value - that's never happened in previous years.