[ClutchFans] Rockets will seek Dwight Howard trade... again

Isn't Nelson opting out already? I think Orlando is gonna have to move Dwight eventually but has the asking price come down now that he's injured?

 

But the real question is, will they get some traction this time? I've getting my hopes up for too long now.

 

The pro tanking crowd that thinks a Dwight departure means a swift rebuild is ignoring the fact that we'd be sending out at least 1 or 2 future first rounders and taking back a horrible contract in this scenario. It's not necessarily win/win.

 

BRAVO!!!, I do know why people on this site enjoy immersing themselves into trades that are not going to happen in reality. I do not know if it is microcosm for their lives, outside of Clutch Fans, but when it comes to certain things in life, you have to be realistic in your chances. GMs are by design, supposed to explore every option, even the ones that aren't likely to happen. It shows that the team is trying to build a winner, which is a good mentality to have over not pursuing anything at all. Dwight Howard does not want to come to Houston, even with another mild star is still a risky gamble.

It's even worse when some members hold a grudge against a player for nixing a deal/showing disappointment in coming to Houston, as some posters show a little angst over never being chosen by a quality free agent or superstar. Tending to not take rejection well.

With most players in this scenario, they will say explicit what cities or teams that won't to go to. For some reason that hurts certain fans, a fan becomes a little shafted, because very talented player, maybe superstar does not think that (the given fan's) team or city is worthy enough for them to play for over the course of their career.

I've seen this, even before Lebron James-Chris Bosh-Dwight Howard, in different sports. Fans will hate a player for leaving via free agency or demanding a trade (for whatever reason), even if a player is gracious and respectful about it. Some fans still hold them in contempt.

 

He seems to have certain teams in mind, if he could influence the Magic to get rid of their coach, he may be able to manipulate them in being traded to a team he wants to be a part of.
Houston will trade a lot of assets to land Howard, what will the other teams do?
Its a complex situation all we can do is hope Morey plays his cards right.

 

gotcha. all are super valid concerns.

 

The history of the NBA shows it takes having a guy finish either first or second team all NBA somewhere on your roster to win a ring. Howard is that kind of guy, if he's healthy. It's very rare to have an opportunity to acquire someone of that talent level.

If you keep him long term, you're not talking about looking at how he meshes with the current roster...you're talking about what you can put around him over the course of the next 7 years or so. He's young still.

If you can't keep him, then you might find yourself in a position to be able to actually rebuild for real.

 

My point is that Hedo's contract and the number of draft picks we'd have to give up probably delay that rebuilding for at least a few years after he leaves. I assume Morey would put some sort of protection on them, but still, it's a risk or facet of this trade I don't think many are considering.

 

It also doesn't help that Orlando is probably going to want a superstar, a high caliber player, or a load of picks and high level prospects for Howard.

 

It won't delay rebuilding for a few years. Having hedos money isnt going to stop us from rebuilding, just like Washington having Lewis didnt stop them. Its just dead salary.

Seriously doubt we would give up an unprotected pick in 2014, which would be the first real shot at high lottery if it doesn't work out.

Its a win win, anyway you logically look at it.

What Orlando "wants" is mostly irrelevant. If they make the decision to cut ties, its going to be whats the best they can get. No one is going to give up a superstar, a high caliber player, loads of picks, or high level prospects for a rental of Howard.

That is the point. That is where our advantage is.

 

Boom daddy. It's a no lose situation.

 

I agree with this very much Larsv. If you are going to get Orlando to budge as early as this Summer in Dwight deal they will insist on taking back Hedo's salary as well. For the Rockets, this is why players like Jordan Hill and Terrence Williams were not extended.

Its not just about having the cap space to sign a max free agent, its about having the space to take someone like Hedo's contract with a Dwight Howard. Very few teams in the NBA have that leverage.

Also, I would assume that Morey will do everything he can to keep Parsons out of the trade discussions so even if Turk comes along with Dwight in a trade its not like he's going to be someone they have to rely on heavy for production.

 

If Dwight gets a lot of grip, like Rockets bowing to his demand, he will come. Dwight is like a baby, he wants to be loved at the same time is very demanding. I'm sure if he gets to pick the coach who he wants to play for and requests the players he wants to play with, it is a done deal. I think if Heat dominates this playoff year, DHoward might want to rest in the West, not fight with the beast. I'm sure DHo likes what the Rockets have shown by all these rumors, more than any other teams. If DHo doesn't come, I have full confidence that this year, or next year, we'll eventually get our franchise player either DHo, or someone jawdropping.

 

Howard, Williams, and Dragic. That's the combo I want. Keep Parsons at the 3. Keep Camby. Keep whatever PF they leave us, one of Patterson or Motie. Take back Duhon and Big Baby. Add a couple other FAs. Go to war.

 

Williams???... I thought we were done talking about this guy here.

 

Some crappy negotiating there by his agent..

 

Forget about trades "we like" - try and tilt it Orlando's way:

Turk + Dwight ($30.6M combined next year)

for

Martin and Lowry ($18.7M, with Martin expiring)
Dalembert's partially guaranteed contract ($6.7M, $2.5M guaranteed)
Morris and/or Patterson
Parsons
(~$29.5 out, with Orlando shaving an addition $4M via Dalembert)
$3M cash
Knicks pick, Dallas pick, possible future Houston pick (2015 earliest)

Dragic, Camby, and Lee can't be involved due to FA. Scola would make sense as an add in, but they may not want his salary if they are rebuilding - they need more help in the backcourt with the emergence of Ryan Anderson.

Losing Parsons hurts, and it becomes critical we retain Dragic and Lee, but I do this scenario 10 times out of 10. You get the best center in the NBA and a top 4 player in the league. There's no justification for not doing it.

You would still have:

Howard - Camby
Scola - (possibly Patterson)
Budinger - Hedo
Lee
(Dragic)

and whomever we add with our own draft pick and MLE. 2013 draft pick almost certainly goes to Brooklyn, but if Morey continues to purchase and uncover 2nd round gems, I'm not terribly concerned.

 

Kind of sounds like the Raiders.

 

It's smart if they aren't simply taking a qualifying offer. Teams are gunshy with RFAs, and the longer he sits on the shelf, the less money there is out there. Their worst case scenario is getting one weak offer sheet in late July, giving Portland all of the leverage.

They're planting the seed that if you put a big offer in early, Portland may not be prepared to match.

This gives a crap team like Charlotte hope to bring in Batum.

 

First time caller.....long time listener:grin: Bima, you out there?

Lot's of people seem nauseated by the thought of taking back Hedo's bloated contract. Could we use our amnesty we have not used on Hedo and what affect would that have on our ability to still go after other players? What would that do to our cap or tax situation and ability to bring back Courtney and Dragic?

Thanks. I'll hang up and listen