If you guys enjoyed Mark Ruffalo in this, you should definitely Check out a movie of his called RESERVATION ROAD. Very powerful.
Regarding Hulk: 1) Joss Whedon likes to be semi-high brow in his stuff, and isn't going to make everything obvious - there are several sub-plots in the film that are very subtle Spoiler 2) Depends on your interpretation, but generally, the Hulk (subconsciously) is still Banner. He takes from Banner a basic sense of friends, enemies, and right and wrong. Early in the film, Banner doesn't know or trust anybody in the group. He's specifically distrustful of Widow and Fury. As mentioned above, this is exacerbated by Loki's influence. 3) Later in the film, Banner commits himself, voluntarily, to the group and their purpose. 4) I think you can also take away that there's a difference when Banner "releases" Hulk vs when Banner loses control and the Hulk comes out. Controlled/directed anger vs mindless rage.
Spoiler I agree it did kind of make you wonder what happened. However to say he's the perfect Avenger when he totally pounds Thor is a little overstated. At the end of Incredible Hulk (which Marvel has stated is canon to Avengers etc) it's very clear he's learning to control his powers. It's been a year (as per Avengers) since he's turned into Hulk leading into the movie. Naturally there would be trepidation regarding that. Plus he hasn't had reason to turn into the Hulk, he hasn't been fighting...he's been hiding. You could see in his eyes when he looked at Black Widow that he didn't want what was about to happen to happen. This was supposed to signify that he wasn't in control of the situation. The idea is that if he's forced into Hulk mode (and doesn't CHOOSE to become Hulk like he did at the end), you're likely not going to want to be around. Where as if he chooses to be Hulk, he'll maintain some semblance of control. Hulk is kind of like a tornado, it can only be controlled so much. You basically just point him in the direction and get the hell out of the way.
So basically Hulk is a threat to society and needs to be put down.. What happens when like he goes on dates and they go sour??? Or stuck in traffic in Houston??? Or, Comcast internet going down?? Does he turn into the hulk because of those little incidents??? That would create chaos... In the comics right now has he had the ability to control his transformation???
On the whole Hulk control thing - Spoiler I agree with the staff theory and wouldn't be surprised if a contributing scene was cut. They probably had to cut a ton to keep the movie from becoming unreasonably long.
Not sure about what he's doing in the current line of comics, but like the movie said he's "always angry" -- so I think he could deal with Houston traffic. I can't...that's for sure.
Yeah. I dont mean to put the movie down or anything because I liked it. Hulk was awesome in it. I figured they completely disregarded the prior hulk movies since they were so poorly reviewed.....I actually liked them....ha. He was learning to control it at the end of the last one but I felt he was more in control in the last one when he turned as opposed to when he first turned in Avengers. I just felt like a different hulk or bruce banner character.....besides different actor of course. I guess we will see if a scene was cut or something when it comes out on DVD/Blu-ray.
I think that was the whole idea of Tony Stark trying to bait Banner into turning into the Hulk, to show that little stuff like that doesn't really bother him.
Well, the first Hulk movies (I really don't count the ridiculous Bana/Ang Lee version though) were basically just re-telling of the story of Beauty and the Beast, and therefore the whole focus was on Banner's love for the girl, and that love overcoming the rage - ie the point being, 'Love Conquers All', blah blah blah. There is NONE of that in Avengers thankfully, where Banner/Hulk is concerned, and instead the focus has shifted onto the idea that Banner now has at least some nominal control. This is good because it will allow the character to grow, to retain *basic* character traits such as loyalty, some semblance of reason, and empathy/concern for others, such as when he rescues Stark from the fall. The nice thing is, no matter what, Hulk will always retain a measure of danger, like a berserker, so that there will always be an edge of uneasiness whenever he gets unleashed. He will probably end up being a sort of 'nuclear option' for the group. Much more interesting than constantly rehashing Beauty and the Beast and King Kong. Although this also means that Hulk is not all that likely to carry a whole movie by himself, as it is the inter-personal dynamic with other super-powered people (who themselves can barely hope to contain him if something goes wrong) which creates the friction, tension, and therefore the drama. Something which will be interesting once Marvel gets their hands on F4 again - isn't The Thing supposed to be almost on par with The Hulk as far as 'Clobberin' Time!' is concerned?
While they've been very open to reworking things, Marvel only "pseudo-rebooted" Hulk and claim that the Avengers Hulk is a direct continuation of the 2008 film. As a kid, I LOVED the Thing vs Hulk throwdowns - but the only time Thing was on par with Hulk in pure strength was during the brief era when Thing was augmented (pineapple) and Hulk was Mr Fixit (Grey, smaller). And despite that, Hulk still came out on top - Thing was 0-37 in one on one fights against him.
Not really. He's strong, but not that strong. They have a "rivalry" going, but Hulk pretty much always wins. On the first episode of Avengers: EMH, they team up with FF vs Dr. Doom. You see a lot of Hulk and Thing fighting each other, but it's "playful". (and yeah, Hulk always wins...at one point he uses Thing to hit Dr. Doom I believe, or one of his robots or some such)
This is pretty old school, but back in the Official Index to the Marvel Universe, they had Thing listed at being able to bench 70 tons, and Hulk at 100+ tons. (Colossus was around 70 too).
Probably still accurate today for the most part. Unless you run into one of those crossovers where they decide character_X has the magic-baton-of-awesome that makes them omnipotent for the arc.
Nope. Hyde is pretty evil by nature while Hulk is not. Hulk just emotional without much control. He's like Ron Artest. He's a great guy 99 percent of the time, but you know he's going to eventually lose his cool
