Not at all. This trade works for Miami as well. It gives them a dominant frontcourt, potentially, with Bosh and Jordan. Much like last season when a lot of ppl were swirling rumors of a Bynum for Howard trade, Jordan's not put up dominant numbers of late, but his ceiling is tremendous and Miami, I think, would listen to something like this. As far as Houston goes, Butler and Haslem aren't exactly the STAR players I want....but we're getting good return for only giving up Patrick Patterson.
I wouldn't be so quick to say that. If they don't win it this season, the prevailing thought will be that LeBron and D Wade can't coexist. It's not too far-fetched that Riley will want to get rid of one of them and simply build around the other.
That Miami trade is literally the worst thing I have ever seen proposed. We give up Lowry and Patterson for a has been and a never was?
Some trades ideas 1) for upgraiding lover Martin + 16 pic for Joe johnson atlanta dump JJ contract and we get a star(?) 2)This is for tanks lover Scola + Bud for Washington pic and Blatche Washington dump Blatche contract and has Nene + Scola in his starting frontline (Grat frontline in the east) and Wall will be happy
Yes, they are unproven players - all have upside and weakness to their game. Where one player is weak the other is strong thus making them a solid young team that will grow-up as a team. Think of this as a team of Parsons (but with more up side) at every postion - which would be fun to watch; IMO. The lottery is were we are now, year after year. So re-building is really a bad thing? You maybe right about Favors I'd put a future or the 18th pick if need be to close the deal. PG: Dragic/Harris SG: Burks/Lee SF: Parsons/Miller PF: Montiejunas/Scola C: Pekovic/Favors/Smith
Lowry and Houston's 14 and 16 pick Portland's 6th pick via Brooklyn to Houston Unless of course the rockets get in into top 3 and Brooklyn also gets he top 3 in which case they keep it. Then ship Martin to Minnesota for their 18th pick and pekovich. Resign camby Dragic and lee to reasonable contract. Offer harden the max front loaded contract. Cut Sammy d. Draft Barnes with the 6th and a pg with 18 pick. Convince monty to join the rockets. Amnesty scola. Pg- Dragic veteran backup 18 pick Sg- harden lee Sf- Barnes pardons Morris Pf- patpat Monty C- pekovich camby I still think we have money to sign a max contract in 2013
Draft - M.Leonard #14 pick - T.Ross #15 pick Trade Charlotte - leadership - L.Scola for T.Thomas to Boston Boston - move up in the draft, a young pf - T.Thomas, K.Lowry, #16 pick for Rondo, #21 pick to Philadelphia Phoenix - rebuilding, cap relief - M.Morris, S.Dalembert(exp. contract) for M.Gortat, J.Dudley to Houston Philadelphia - range shooter, young pf to replace E.Brand, cap relief - P.Patterson, K.Martin, #21 pick for A.Iguodala, L.Williams, 15 pick to Houston Utah - position of need, playing time for young pfs, cap relief - C.Budinger for P.Millsap c- M.Gortat / M.Leonard pf- P.Millsap / D.Motiejunas sf- C.Parsons / J.Dudley sg- A.Iguodala / T.Ross pg- R.Rondo / L.Williams :grin:
I really feel that we need a center & the best route to go would be the draft with top centers being restricted, unlikely able to trade into the top 5, & D. Howard not wanting to play here. So I propose we target M. Leonard as I've said many times. Would you trade P. Patterson plus our #14 to NO or POR at #10 or #11 to draft M. Leonard & make room for D. Motiejunas? - I don't see the team amnestying L. Scola & D. Motiejunas did say L. Scola was a player he looked up to growing up. - With Camby wanting to resign, M. Leonard wouldn't have to start immediately & would play backup. Then decline S. Dalembert's option if we can't trade him. - Also with both teams having 2 lottery picks & are rebuilding a young PF would be great. Essentially adding 3 players in the 1st rd of the draft. We'd be rebuilding & mentoring our front-court with young 7ft's for the future! :grin:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85tgdfx Tyreke Evans has been on the trading block for a while as well as Josh Smith. So I worked on a 4 team trade that would upgrade the Rockets. Rockets: Josh Smith & James Harden Hawks: Luis Scola & Kyle Lowry Kings: Thabo Sefolosha, Nick Collison, and the #16 pick via the Rockets (NYK pick) Thunder: Kevin Martin & Tyreke Evans
Harden isn't a FA till next summer i believe.. also the Thunder WILL NOT trade him for anyone… i promise u that..
Free Agent list for 2013 Point Guard (name, team – 2012-13 salary – status) Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers – $17.8 million – Unrestricted John Wall, Washington Wizards – $5.9 million – Team Option ($6.7 million) Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors – $4.0 million – Restricted ($5.3 million Qualifying Offer) Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers – $5.4 million – Team Option ($5.6 million) Darren Collison, Indiana Pacers – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer) Jrue Holiday, Philadelphia 76ers – $2.7 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer) Ty Lawson, Denver Nuggets – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.6 million Qualifying Offer) Brandon Jennings, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.3 million Qualifying Offer) Ricky Rubio, Minnesota Timberwolves – $3.7 million – Team Option ($4.0 million) Devin Harris, Utah Jazz – $8.5 million – Unrestricted Kyle Lowry, Houston Rockets – $5.8 million – Team Option ($6.2 million) Eric Bledsoe, L.A. Clippers – $1.7 million – Team Option ($2.6 million) Jose Calderon, Toronto Raptors – $10.6 million – Unrestricted Brandon Knight, Detroit Pistons – $2.7 million – Team Option ($2.8 million) Jeff Teague, Atlanta Hawks – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer) Roddy Beaubois, Dallas Mavericks – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer) Jarrett Jack, New Orleans Hornets – $5.4 million – Unrestricted Norris Cole, Miami HEAT – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million) Eric Maynor, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer) Mario Chalmers, Miami HEAT – $4.0 million – Team Option ($4.0 million) Kemba Walker, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.5 million – Team Option ($2.6 million) Greivis Vasquez, New Orleans Hornets – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.2 million) Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million) Corey Joseph, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million) Will Bynum, Detroit Pistons – $3.3 million – Unrestricted Toney Douglas, New York Knicks – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer) Nolan Smith, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.4 million – Team Option ($1.4 million) Jeremy Pargo, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.0 million – Unrestricted* Earl Watson, Utah Jazz – $2.0 million – Unrestricted Sebastian Telfair, Phoenix Suns – $1.6 million – Unrestricted Daniel Gibson, Cleveland Cavaliers – $4.8 million – Unrestricted C.J. Watson, Chicago Bulls – $3.2 million – Unrestricted Shaun Livingston, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted Shelvin Mack, Washington Wizards – $0.8 million – Unrestricted* Andrew Goudelock, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted* Shooting Guard (name, team – 2012-13 salary – status) Monta Ellis, Milwaukee Bucks – $11.0 million – Early Termination Option ($11.0 million) Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia 76ers – $14.7 million – Early Termination Option ($15.9 million) Tyreke Evans, Sacramento Kings – $5.3 million – Restricted ($6.9 million Qualifying Offer) Kevin Martin, Houston Rockets – $12.4 million – Unrestricted James Harden, Oklahoma City Thunder – $5.8 million – Restricted ($7.6 million Qualifying Offer) DeMar DeRozan, Toronto Raptors – $3.3 million – Restricted ($4.5 million Qualifying Offer) Evan Turner, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.2 million – Team Option ($6.7 million) Jordan Crawford, Washington Wizards – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.2 million) Ben Gordon, Detroit Pistons – $12.4 million – Player Option ($13.2 million) Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs – $14.1 million – Unrestricted MarShon Brooks, Brooklyn Nets – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.2 million) Alec Burks, Utah Jazz – $2.1 million – Team Option ($2.2 million) Corey Maggette, Charlotte Bobcats - $10.9 million – Unrestricted Tony Allen, Memphis Grizzlies – $3.3 million – Unrestricted Iman Shumpert, New York Knicks – $1.6 million – Team Option ($1.7 million) J.J. Redick, Orlando Magic – $6.2 million – Unrestricted Stephen Jackson, San Antonio Spurs – $10.1 million – Unrestricted Mike Dunleavy, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.8 million – Unrestricted Anthony Morrow, Brooklyn Nets – $4.0 million – Unrestricted Daequan Cook, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.1 million – Unrestricted Klay Thompson, Golden State Warriors – $2.2 million – Team Option ($2.3 million) Ronnie Brewer, Chicago Bulls – $4.4 million – Unrestricted Gerald Henderson, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.3 million Qualifying Offer) Gary Neal, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted* Corey Brewer, Denver Nuggets – $2.7 million – Unrestricted Gary Forbes, Toronto Raptors – $1.5 million – Unrestricted Reggie Williams, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.5 million – Unrestricted Jimmer Fredette, Sacramento Kings – $2.3 million – Team Option ($2.4 million) Jimmy Butler, Chicago Bulls – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million) Christian Eyenga, L.A. Lakers – $1.1 million – Team Option ($2.1 million) Wayne Ellington, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer) Avery Bradley, Boston Celtics – $1.6 million – Team Option ($2.5 million) Xavier Henry, New Orleans Hornets – $2.3 million – Team Option ($3.2 million) Dominique Jones, Dallas Mavericks – $1.3 million – Team Option ($2.3 million) Martell Webster, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.7 million – Unrestricted Raja Bell, Utah Jazz – $3.5 million – Unrestricted Francisco Garcia, Sacramento Kings – $6.1 million – Team Option ($6.4 million) Lazar Hayward, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.1 million) Elliot Williams, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.4 million – Team Option ($2.4 million) Quentin Richardson, Orlando Magic – $2.6 million – Player Option ($2.8 million) Charles Jenkins, Golden State Warriors – $0.8 million – Unrestricted Josh Selby, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million) Lester Hudson, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.9 million – Unrestricted Small Forward (name, team – 2012-13 salary – status) Josh Smith, Atlanta Hawks – $13.2 million – Unrestricted Paul George, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Team Option ($3.3 million) Derrick Williams, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Team Option ($5.0 million) Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz – $2.9 million – Team Option ($3.8 million) Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs – $1.8 million – Team Option ($1.9 million) Wesley Johnson, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.3 million – Team Option ($5.4 million) Shawn Marion, Dallas Mavericks – $8.4 million – Early Termination Option ($9.1 million) Dorrell Wright, Golden State Warriors – $4.1 million – Unrestricted Jan Vesely, Washington Wizards – $3.2 million – Team Option ($3.3 million) Linas Kleiza, Toronto Raptors – $4.6 million – Player Option ($4.6 million) Richard Jefferson, Golden State Warriors – $10.2 million – Player Option ($11.1 million) Trevor Ariza, New Orleans Hornets – $7.3 million – Player Option ($7.7 million) James Johnson, Toronto Raptors – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer) Metta World Peace, L.A. Lakers – $7.3 million – Early Termination Option ($7.7 million) Al-Farouq Aminu, New Orleans Hornets – $2.9 million – Team Option ($3.7 million) James Jones, Miami HEAT – $1.5 million – Player Option ($1.5 million) Rashard Lewis, Washington Wizards – $22.7 million – Unrestricted Markieff Morris, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Team Option ($2.1 million) Omri Casspi, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million) Chris Singleton, Washington Wizards – $1.6 million – Team Option ($1.6 million) Marvin Williams, Atlanta Hawks – $8.3 million – Early Termination Option ($7.5 million) Kyle Korver, Chicago Bulls – $5.0 million – Unrestricted Luke Babbitt, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.9 million – Team Option ($2.9 million) Luke Walton, Cleveland Cavaliers – $5.8 million – Unrestricted E’Twaun Moore, Boston Celtics – $0.8 million – Unrestricted* Julyan Stone, Denver Nuggets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted* Power Forward (name, team – 2012-13 salary – status) Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers – $7.2 million – Restricted ($9.4 million Qualifying Offer) Taj Gibson, Chicago Bulls – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer) David West, Indiana Pacers – $10.0 million – Unrestricted DeJuan Blair, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Unrestricted Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer) Paul Millsap, Utah Jazz – $8.6 million – Unrestricted Al Jefferson, Utah Jazz – $15.0 million – Unrestricted Derrick Favors, Utah Jazz – $4.8 million – Team Option ($6.0 million) Tristan Thompson, Cleveland Cavaliers – $3.9 million – Team Option ($4.1 million) Bismack Biyombo, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.9 million – Team Option ($3.0 million) Lamar Odom, Dallas Mavericks – $8.2 million – Unrestricted Larry Sanders, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.0 million – Team Option ($3.1 million) Ed Davis, Toronto Raptors – $2.2 million – Team Option ($3.2 million) Patrick Patterson, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Team Option ($3.1 million) Trevor Booker, Washington Wizards – $1.4 million – Team Option ($2.4 million) Austin Daye, Detroit Pistons – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer) Tyler Hansbrough, Indiana Pacers – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.3 million Qualifying Offer) Kenneth Faried, Denver Nuggets – $1.3 million – Team Option ($1.4 million) Marcus Morris, Houston Rockets – $1.9 million – Team Option ($2.0 million) Tobias Harris, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.5 million – Team Option ($1.5 million) Hakim Warrick, Phoenix Suns – $4.3 million – Team Option ($4.3 million) Josh McRoberts, L.A. Lakers – $3.1 million – Unrestricted Gustavo Ayon, New Orleans Hornets – $1.5 million – Team Option ($1.5 million) Jeff Pendergraph, Indiana Pacers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted* Ryan Gomes, L.A. Clippers – $4.0 million – Unrestricted Dante Cunningham, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.1 million – Team Option ($2.2 million) Charlie Villanueva, Detroit Pistons – $8.1 million – Player Option ($8.6 million) Quincy Pondexter, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.2 million – Team Option ($2.2 million) JaJuan Johnson, Boston Celtics – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.1 million) Jordan Hamilton, Denver Nuggets – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.2 million) Craig Smith, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.1 million – Unrestricted Samardo Samuels, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted* Sean Williams, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted Hamady N’Diaye, Washington Wizards – $0.9 million – Unrestricted* Justin Harper, Orlando Magic – $0.8 million – Unrestricted* Josh Harrellson, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted* Jon Leuer, Milwaukee Bucks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted* Center (name, team – 2012-13 salary – status) Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic – $19.5 million – Unrestricted DeMarcus Cousins, Sacramento Kings – $3.9 million – Team Option ($4.9 million) Greg Monroe, Detroit Pistons – $3.2 million – Team Option ($4.1 million) Samuel Dalembert, Houston Rockets – $6.7 million – Unrestricted Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.8 million – Unrestricted* Nikola Vucevic, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.7 million – Team Option ($1.8 million) Ekpe Udoh, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Team Option ($4.5 million) Emeka Okafor, New Orleans Hornets – $13.5 million – Early Termination Option ($14.5 million) Andris Biedrins, Golden State Warriors – $9.0 million – Early Termination Option ($9.0 million) Tiago Splitter, San Antonio Spurs – $3.9 million – Unrestricted* Enes Kanter, Utah Jazz – $4.3 million – Team Option ($4.5 million) Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta Hawks – $5.3 million – Unrestricted Brad Miller, Minnesota Timberwolves – $5.1 million – Unrestricted Kurt Thomas, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted Timofey Mozgov, Denver Nuggets – $3.1 million – Unrestricted* Kevin Seraphin, Washington Wizards – $1.8 million – Team Option ($2.8 million) Cole Aldrich, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.4 million – Team Option ($3.2 million) Johan Petro, Brooklyn Nets – $3.5 million – Unrestricted Dexter Pittman, Miami HEAT – $0.9 million – Unrestricted* Byron Mullens, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.3 million – Restricted ($3.3 million Qualifying Offer) Jon Brockman, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted Brandan Wright, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted Jerome Jordan, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
if u compare the 2012 FA list to 2013 u will see that if we really wanna get better we should try and make as much cap space as we can because 2013 is LOADED with franchise players.. 2012 sucks and i honestly do not want Morey to make panic moves to please the masses, then we have no cap space next summer.. i say bring over the D-mo and maybe even Lull, trade scola, lowry and kmart for draft picks over the next couple of seasons.. and even some nba talent that won't take up cap space and resign Dragic… we could set ourselves up for a top 10 draft pick in 2013 and possibly more, plus the cap space to pursue a guy like Harden and CP3..
LMAO! Sure.... minnie is gonna give us Pekovic for Kevin Martins expiring contract - AND they're gonna toss us a first round pick on top of it! LMAO... delusional.... smh...
