Coming from a biased duke fan I must say.. A) River's will be an average NBA player, he will not be an all star. B) He is nowhere near a ball hog. Maybe if you only watch his high school and McDonald's game footage, but a lot of times he would pass to much on a soft offensive Duke team. C) I would love to be wrong about A, but I just can't see it.
That's interesting (no sarcasm) I've never heard of a wing in that sense. I guess my definition is just different. As long as I've been around basketball (pretty much my while life) the people around me as well as myself has considered a wing to be a player that can play on the wing. Rivers' height isn't even the problem, it's his lack of bulk. Which can be fixed with work and age/maturity. That's why I see him having more defensive potential than a guy like martin, who will never get more bulk and will always get pushed around on D. Don't get me wrong, his height isn't gonna help him any, but he's about the height as Dwayne Wade, Eric Gordab, Monta Ellis, Shannon Brown, and Jordan Crawford. An theres no question about it, Rivers can create shots for others. He didn't that often in high school because he didn't need to, and should have done it more at Duke but was a little iffy on shot selection. Anytime you can penatrate the way he does you can get teammates envolved because you force help in which you can dump it off to the open man or kick out to a shooter. And from what I have seen be has the necessary court vision. Your right, he is a pure SG, but he is very virsatile offensively.
He was differentiating between whether he thought Thomas Robinson would be an impact player in the NBA. "Impact player? Yes. Potential star? No." None of the guys you have listed can be considered star-quality PFs. His point exactly. Chris Webber is the closest (on that list) to Stardom. All the others are nice-to-have guys...but not Star players.
For the record, when I say "Star player", I'm talking about a guy you build your team around. Not just "well, he made a few All-Star teams."
What does star-quality mean then? Someone on the level of Kobe or Lebron? If that's the argument then I hate to say it but NO ONE in this draft will reach that level. If you want 6'9" and "star" really means "all-time great" then how about Karl Malone, Willis Reed, Bill Russell?
Some have already been mentioned, but what about sit Charles? He was like 6'7 at the tallest... I don't aton Of stock into an inch difference. I mean look at chuck Hayes, at 6'6 he is considered by much taller guys to be one of the best low post defenders in the game. I see your point though, the majority of the "great" ones are at least 6'10, but there are exception.
This whole 6'11" needed to be a star **** is ****ing r****ded given that two of the best max level star PFs are Love and Griffin. And these are their measurements. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Love-1062/ http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Blake-Griffin-1268/ Stupid ****s.
Don't forget Amare Stoudamire, who's 6'8.5" barefoot. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Amare-Stoudemire-4498/
Love and Griffin also have the rare ability to play outside and take people off the dribble. I want to increase my chances that a PF we take is going to reach "Star" potential. Jared Sullinger is an undersized, one trick pony (back to the basket). Thomas Robinson...same thing. Impact player and good pro? Absolutely. Star potential? I don't think so. But...I'm no expert. At least Henson and Moultrie give you that added dimenson. They both need to add some weight, but you get the picture. In this draft, if you're looking (in the Rockets' range) for a potential star, you're crossing your fingers that Arnett Moultrie or John Henson turn into a Kevin Love type of player.
Are you really comparing Henson and Moultrie to Kevin Love!? If you are serious, than you should tell everyone now so we will know to disregard everything you post from this point on! Also, Blake Griffin DOES NOT have the ability to play outside! He hits about one mid range jumper every two or three games, that it! He literally hasn't scored a point outside of the paint in the series against Memphis! You can check the stats on that if you would like. Sully would be an undersized C, but he's fine for PF at 6'9-6'10, same for Robinson. I don't think either will be "stars" but not for the reasons you have given...
I didn't compare anyone to Kevin Love. I said we should hope Henson or Moultrie turn out to be a Kevin Love-type player. What's wrong with hoping we get another future superstar? It beats drafting somebody and thinking "he'll probably never be great."
Is this hope like I hope to win the 200 million dollar lottery hope. Because if not you are delusional.
Bro, can we stop with the "Sullinger is undersized" comments? He's 6'10" in shoes, has over a 7 foot wingspan, and weighs 280 Lbs. He's a pretty big guy who is gonna be a load for other PF's to defend down low; plus he's got a nice mid-range game. If Sullinger turns out to be a bust, it won't be because of his height; it will be because of his lack of explosiveness, athleticism, and inability to defend quicker 4's. But it won't be because he measures 6'10", that much i'm sure of.
