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Just because Dwight opted in doesn't mean he won't be traded

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jopatmc, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    Dallas will still have Dirk, Marion, and a great backup PG in Beaubois. They still have a great core intact.

    If they can find a better 5 than their current centers right now PLUS get Williams, Dallas is back to being a contender.
     
  2. rocketsmetalspd

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    Do not want Howard. Once the back gets operated on, it will never be the same. He will always have that injury come back in some form or another.
     
  3. rolyat93

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    A superstar with recurring back problems that is disgruntled in Orlando? The Rox would never want that guy.:grin:
     
  4. megastahr

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    yes exactly I dont believe there is any team that can offer more than the rockets...that could reasonably get him that is.

    After bynums play I am not even sure the lakers trade bynum def not bynum and gasol.

    Lowry and martin or scola (a few youths bud, patterson, morris etc) 3 or 4 draft picks and dalembert for

    Howard and Turk

    They cant get more than that...period.
     
  5. OremLK

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    You never give up, do you jopat?
     
  6. jopatmc

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    I think the more relevant question right now is what teams have the assets to trade for Dwight and still sign Deron to a max contract this offseason?


    There is one thing that should be abundantly clear to us at this point.

    DWIGHT WANTS TO PLAY WITH DWILL OR CP3!!!

    He wants to team up with a premier PG that is his age that he can ride out his career with.

    Orlando has a problem. They either have to get Dwight to sign an extension this offseason or go into next season with the same problem they had this season EXCEPT MUCH WORSE because Dwight can walk for nothing at the end of the year. So, there are no more outs for Orlando. They have played this thing to the hilt. They have to make a decision this offseason to trade Dwight this offseason if he doesn't sign the extension this offseason. The reason is very simple. ONCE DWILL IS GONE IN FREE AGENCY, ORLANDO LOSES ALL THEIR TRADE LEVERAGE! And they know it too. The worst thing that can happen to that franchise is for Dwight to walk for nothing. That puts them out of the playoffs for several season at the very least.

    Dallas has a problem. While they can sign DWill outright, they do not have the assets to trade for Dwight. Orlando knows this. So, they know if they are going to trade Dwight, they have to do it before DWill signs. They will either get Dwight signed to an extension or they will trade him.

    New Jersey has a terrible problem. They have mismanaged their assets. They are in no position to pull off a trade for Dwight. Orlando doesn't like Lopez enough. Not to mention, he's a free agent anyways. The Nets are betting on winning the lottery and trading the rights to Anthony Davis and other pieces for Dwight, something Orlando would probably be interested in. But the Nets gotta win the lottery to make it happen. Other than that, they have to sell DWill on another season of suckage so that they can sign Dwight outright after the 2013 season. Very, very long shot.

    Teams that could trade for Dwight:

    1. L.A. Clippers - They would have to offer Blake and Deandre. They've got Chris Paul. If they made the trade, they could get both Paul and Dwight locked up with extensions. Will they offer up their two young bigs for Dwight coming off back surgery? Will Orlando accept that offer? (I think Orlando would accept. Don't know if the Clippers have the kahonas to make the move.)

    2. L.A. Lakers - They would have to offer up Bynum, Orlando would have to accept that trade straight up, and the Lakers would have one season to convince Dwight to extend with them. Orlando wanted both Bynum and Gasol before. Don't know that they would accept just Bynum in his contract season, with no extension, and whether they feel Bynum is better than cap space, picks, and a combination of established talent and young talent. And then Dwight has to win a ring with Kobe and be talked into staying by Mitch and Buss. Lots of obstacles there.

    3. Houston Rockets - Lots of assets including another lottery pick, plus two previous lottery picks on the roster, plus another first round pick, likely around 15, plus vets. Orlando has to consumate a deal with Houston before DWill signs because Morey isn't going to rent Dwight without having a chance to get DWill or CP3. Morey is willing to rent Dwight as long as DWill is available to be signed as a free agent. So, the Houston deal has to come to fruition early in the offseason before DWill signs elsewhere.

    4. New Jersey Nets - IF THEY WIN THE LOTTERY, they could send the rights to Anthony Davis, Gerald Wallace, Marshon Brooks, plus whatever else to Orlando for Dwight. Of course if they win the lottery, they could convince DWill to re-sign there, go through another season of suckage, get another lottery pick, then sign Dwight outright after the end of the season. Will Orlando take that risk?? (Don't know. They've done some pretty stupid things in the past.

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    This is a huge cat-and-mouse game that Dallas, New Jersey, and Orlando are playing with each other. We are really in a very good position here. We can make the trade or we can continue to collect assets and make good free agent signings. Guys like Kevin Garnett are ready and waiting to sign to play for another ring or two. And we have good tradable pieces to get other young talent. We could get lucky and get a top 3 pick in the draft. And if not, Morey's got plenty of trade flexibility anyways.

    The team that is the biggest threat to acquire Dwight through trade besides the Houston Rockets is the LA Clippers at this time.
     
  7. jopatmc

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    Give up??

    Dude, read my post and then tell me we have no chance of acquiring the Dwight/DWill combo.

    It's not a matter of giving up. It's a matter of seeing what's going on and realizing the end game here.


    It's really a matter of how stupid is Orlando going to be. Are they going to do the wise thing for their organization or are they going to string this whole sloppy mess out and hamstring their franchise for the next 5 years.


    Personally, this back injury to Dwight is kinda gnawing on me. Back injuries aren't funny. Remember TMac. So, I have some misgivings about acquiring Dwight but if it gets at least another superstar, it would still probably be worth it. Let him play out the season and then we either get cap space back or we get to re-sign him after proving he can still ball.
     
  8. megastahr

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    I agree with everything you said...it was reported from multiple reports that we were right in there the last minute...and that was prob without offering lowry (because we hadnt seen the rise of dragic) and with out use having a lottery pick this year and our dallas picks...if anything we have even more of a chance now.
     
  9. megastahr

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    jopat...did you see my thread on post season optimism thread...i basically said the same thing you did.
     
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    i would glady include both DJ and Griffin for Dwight, but Orlando would have to include Ryan Anderson...
     
  11. CantBeRight

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    Cp3's contract is expiring this year yes?
     
  12. BHannes2BHonest

    BHannes2BHonest 2 SOLID FOR WEIRD AZZES

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    Good assessment... I agree with everything except the Lakers aspect.... They are out and will not be in the running for Howard... 2 Reasons.... Bynum's emergence and Howard's injury....
     
  13. jopatmc

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    I'm pretty sure they're out too. But it is a possible option. Didn't put in any other options in the East because there really are none other than Chicago. I suppose Chicago may be able to construct a deal around Asik and Deng but it would require Dwight's consent and agreement to re-sign there. Dwight has been very clear about not wanting to share market with Rose.

    If Orlando trades him, they really want to move him to the West and not face him all the time. I listed the Lakers because LA is nutty land and they could change their mind and take a gamble on the future. After all, they traded for Shaq and they also traded Shaq away. So, there you have it. If Shaq can be traded for and traded away, and LA has Kobe, then it is a possibility.

    I still say it comes down to the Clippers and Rox if Dwight is traded after this season and during the offseason.
     
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    Now that the Magic are gone let the Dwight trade rumors begin. Orlando and Dwight are currently on the clock.
     
  15. anthony59237

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    lol, this gonna be kinda weird. if we do get dwight, do we go after deron, or commit to goran? morey has already said he wants goran back and is already making pitches at him. it would be pretty douchy of us to just diss goran like that and go with deron. But if it means Dwight staying, it's sadly worth looking like a douche.
     
  16. jopatmc

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    interesting dilemma. I think Morey's interest in Goran is sincere, even if we trade for Dwight. We could, trade for Dwight, re-sign Goran, then clear cap space to sign Deron anyways. Then we have Deron, Goran, and Chandler man the perimeter together as co-starters. If it works, great. If it doesn't work, you can always trade Goran at the deadline.

    nice, eh?
     
  17. Icehouse

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    You keep saying Orlando has to trade Dwight or risk losing him for nothing this summer. Wasn't that the same risk they had up until the trade deadline, and they held off till the last minute. So why wouldn't they do that again? They can still move him at the deadline again.
     
  18. faraza84

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    Orlando should trade him before the season starts because if he's not playing up to par after his surgery they definitely lose value. In the offseason is when I expect to see him moved if Orlando is smart. If they package him with Turk they should expect much less in return so i think will end up keeping Turk at least.
     
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    Yeah, they can.

    I feel they lose a ton of trade leverage if they wait to trade Dwight until after DWill signs. If Dwill re-signs in New Jersey, then more than likely Dwight will wait them out and walk away, then they have to trade him for pennies on the dollar to a rental team.

    If they trade Dwight before DWill signs a free agent contract, then they can get more value and possibly drag the Clippers to the table with Blake and Deandre.

    I could be wrong. I'm still looking at other possibilities. If somehow Deron went somewhere like Portland, then perhaps Orlando just rides it out next season.

    I just don't see how Smith and Orlando can wait this thing out and let him walk away for nothing. They have nothing on that team besides Dwight. If they lose him, they are stuck rebuilding for 5+ years as they have garbage contracts that they will have to let expire or go into thier last season before they can possibly move them for anything of value. It just doesn't make sense to hold on to Dwight.........unless..........they get a very firm commitment that he is going to stay there and re-sign. I think they'll try to get a commitment from him to re-sign, then when he doesn't give it to them, they make a quick trade pre-empting DWill's free agency so they can extract maximum value for him from either us, the Clippers, or some unthought of team.

    Perhaps GS finds some miracle way to dump a contract or two and offers up Bogut, Curry, and other young talent for Dwight in hopes of luring DWill in free agency. (I think this is near impossible.) Perhaps Atlanta throws up Horford and Joe Johnson and Orlando says yes. (Don't see Orlando going for that over what we would give them.) Or perhaps Boston offers up Pierce and Rondo to take a shot at Dwight for one season and lure DWill while re-signing Garnett for a new big 3. Perhaps? Perhaps? Anything is possible. But I still think the most probably teams for Dwight to be traded to are the Clippers and us.
     
  20. Dreamin

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    Maybe they pressured him into opting in for next season because they didnt like the trade offers they were getting and they thought better offers would be made next season.
     

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