I am saying if JHill is still developing, and has more upside than PPat, you keep the better player. I have no issue with dumping redundant pieces for draft picks, I like that a lot. I do have an issue with the Orgs ability to recognize talent lately. DD
Lets revist this thread next year when someone gives Hill a fat MLE type of contract and he decides not to show up 6 out of 7 games. Plus, we are forgetting that he is playing next to Bynum, Kobe, and Gasol. This typically makes your look much better than you would be on the Wizards. Jordan is a good fit as an energy big off the bench. Any team that signs him thinking he is going to be anything more than that is truely mistaken. Now, I ask you all.... Is an energy big off the bench going to solve all the Rockets issues and make them a contender???
Guys y'all are getting carried away Bc of a player getting meaningful minutes On a playoff team..one that can go deep. Here it is guys Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol Throw any1 down low with um and they'll prob be alright. In fact they even have they guy named Kobe, ALL He has to do is REBOUND (and those are added extras assuming That Bynum or gasol will grab several)...JHill is a scrub. Que "NO Scrubs"
To be fair he has some room to grow.... did not happen with the Rockets because we tend to draft tons of undersized PFs... and will be doing so in the future.
Even if he gets better he's still going to be an energy big off the bench for a good team. A bad team that tries to make him a focal point of their offense will be sorely mistaken. Jordan's going to have a long career in the NBA, but I have a feeling he's going to jump around from team to team because of team's needs. Thats not really a bad thing for Jordan. Kurt Thomas had a long career in the NBA and made alot of $. Nothing to be ashamed of. Then again I ask the question, is Jordan Hill going to make the Rockets a contender???.... No. Got a draft pick back for him.... cool.
Day, It is not my ability that is in question, I am not at practices, or games etc. It is Morey and the orgs. What this reads to me is that they think PPat has a higher ceiling and they traded JHill. In the end they will be judged on the truth of that. DD
I am happy for Hill - no reason to regret and hate. Surrounded by a ton of talent he can have some success. He will never be a featured scorer in this league - But I am glad he is being productive on a national scale - Hopefully it makes our assets look stronger which gives Morey more leverage !!!!
I dont think this at all. They realized that Jordan isn't the answer to their problems and wasn't valued what his salary would have been next year had they picked up his option. Patterson could end up in the same boat after next season if they dont view him as a long term solution, and they end up trading him. Who knows, but I dont think this has anything to do with viewing Patterson as having any higher of a "ceiling" than Jordan does. Its about the timing of his contract options and their plans for the future.
The problem with your churn philosophy is that you miss out on guys or give up on them too early, when you need to genuinely evaluate where they will be in 3 to 5 years. Now, clearly they have said "JHill will not be good for us in that timeframe"....ok, they will be judged on that decision. DD
You should put this disclaimer on most of your posts througout the last decade - would have saved you a lot of grief. That's not really what happened at all. They decided that a late first round pick was optimal to resigning Jordan Hill - a very good decision, given that Jordan THE MAN Hill basically didn't do jack sh-t since he got here.
Jordan Hill is a free agent this summer, so they got something for him. And you are right about one thing. You are not at their practices, you're not around them at Toyota Center, you have no idea how they run their organization, so stop complaining about the same things over and over again. They let Jeremy Lin go, he gets a chance in New York running a PG influenced system, and all the sudden the Rockets can't evaluate talent. Even though your favorite players (Scola, Budinger, Brooks, Dragic) were all picked up when other teams didn't want them.
Maybe, but to be fair to Hill is that he was playing Center all year, and had a little success. Is he a center? No, I think we can all agree on that. But as a PF, is he better than PPat? That is where the rubber hits the road for me. To be honest, I don't think either is the ANSWER, but they could be both decent with the right surrounding cast. DD
I am not jumping on the wagon, just wondering out loud whether this was the right move. Doesn't matter though, what is done is done. DD
Your right that they will be evaluted based on that "churn" philosophy, but this happens all over the NBA. Its not just the Rockets here. How many young bigs that develop after 4 to 6 years are still with the team that drafted them? Its a question of how great of an investment are we willing to make into developing him when he only showed that he will be X at best in the NBA? Paying 6 to 7 million dollars for a proven energy big off the bench is alreay a hefty investment. Much less, one that still needs to be developed further, and has had poor results in 3 seasons of evidence. Your right to judge them on this "Churn" philosophy, but realize that the Rockets are not the only team in the NBA making the decision to develop elsewhere after their rookie contract is up. Im not saying that this is exactly the way I would do things, or making apologies for the franchise letting go of Jordan Hill. Im just simply stating the reasons why I believe the Rockets made the decision to walk away from the 8.2 million dollar Jordan Hill experiment of 2012/13/14.
