i hope t-mac gets past the 1st round with the hawks

Is it a mods job to clean up people's crappy opinions?

 

When did I ever say that? The only beef I have on the subject is how people try to blame the organization about Tmac's decisions. It's ridiculous that the Rockets would MAKE Tmac do something that would hurt their organization(and their investment). Tmac has a long history of bad decision making and impulsive behavior...why is there this continued thought that the Rockets were the reason his body broke down when he's had various injury issues his whole life and he even admitted that he didn't see himself playing past 30 because of his body being so worn out?

Yet, it's Adelman and Morey's fault that they MADE him play and didn't LET him get a 3rd or 4th opinion(which of course he got) to finally tell him he might be a candidate for the most minor microfracture surgery possible (which probably made his knee worse than it already was).

And even when Adelman was adamant about Tmac resting more after his MFS, he had to go cry to the media which of course pissed off his jock riders because they thought Adelman had something 'against' him (seriously, why the eff would he have something against him?) but once he played you could see why...the dude wasn't ready to come back and was only risking a worse injury...so, blah blah blah, the dude went to NY, Det, and now Atl showing that he can't remain healthy.

Still, it's the Rockets fault...riiiiight....

Hey man, you can root for Tmac however you want, I'm not going to tell you otherwise...but I don't want people to continue blaming the wrong party for Tmac's decisions.

 

There should at least be a warning that people have to stay on topic. Happened with the Pistons, Knicks and Hawks: A "201x Official McGrady in XY jersey" thread should be about the team and his performances in the same year. Yet it always turns out into the same sh!tty arguments every time, with people debating who to blame on the Yao-Mac era, his legacy, him vs. Kobe, blabla. It never stays on topic and there are always the same people responsible for this mess. Mods should at least consider giving 1-10 day bans in these cases to clean up the forum and make the posters think.

 

The rockets medical staff is/was just terrible. They let yao play a few games on a broken foot. I wouldn't listen to word those guys had to say either.

 

Hahahaha.

This is Clutchfans and people will always have different opinions about the topic. You just don't like that people have a completely different opinion than you.

For example, this topic, why couldn't the poster just post that in the Tmac thread in Atlanta?

This topic is about " i hope t-mac gets past the 1st round with the hawks"
Some people will have that opinion and some others will have the opposite opinion.

Don't act like you haven't been on a tmac thread before, it's always about his legacy and affect on fans and teams.

 

I'd prefer the Feigen articles too, because I thought he did a better job of being impartial on McGrady (no offense, Clutch). But, I probably don't have the energy to dissect everything with you.

No. I'm saying that if they wanted to avoid McGrady employing the nuclear option (microfracture surgery right before the trade deadline), they should have worked with McGrady and his doctors to find a medical solution that was acceptable to all parties. Microfracture was bad for the Rockets and playing through it was bad for McGrady. There may have been a solution between those two poles if the two parties were willing to compromise.

People? I think it's just me here. And not even that. I'm blaming them for their own decisions, not TMac's. Besides that, we didn't even start it. It started in the OP, when he said TMac "deserved" a ring. As much as Yung T might not like it, this was a thread about McGrady's legacy from the very first post. I wouldn't even get into it, except that it pisses me off to see history distorted.

 

I'm okay with people having different opinions, but when every thread turns into the same repetitive argument just because the thread title has T-Mac or McGrady in it...it doesn't make the board look good and becomes really annoying. It's hard to seek information when so many threads turn into a flaming war that's off topic and stuck in the past.

 

McGrady brings up many different opinions because he was a former Rocket.

Look at the LeBron or Kobe threads, it's back and forth also.

How's this an "informational" thread?

 

Clutch was the first that I know of to mention that McGrady's tenure would not end well with the Rockets.

I like Clutch's take cause it's from the heart.

 

Which option was the right one, JV? They were working a TON with Tmac already...after 4 doctors how can you possibly make the statement that "there may have been a solution between the 2 poles if the 2 parties were willing to compromise" Compromise? LOL, the Rockets did ALL the compromising. He could take off whenever he needed to, he could see whatever doctors he wanted to, when he came back after MFS Adelman wanted him to rest more but after Tmac's demands he compromised to play him 7 mins a game...which was a disaster. What else is there? In the end Tmac ignored the recommended advice of the 2 Rockets' doctors (please don't say it was a conspiracy) and an independent doctor and choose MFS.

Is there something you think would've been the cure to all of Tmac's aliments if the Rockets just "tried hard enough" to find it? If so what do you think it was?

His knee reacted poorly to the offseason scope during the summer. IMO he did not rehab well (which is why he came to camp out of shape and overweight), and it showed horribly in the beggining of the year.

The Rockets never made him play when he did not want to and they never recommend him to NOT see a doctor about his knee.

He left the team to train with Jordan's trainer didn't he? Or something like that...he made the video stating he was back to his old self...fully recovered. So what happened?

Was that Morey's and Adelman's fault too that he was BSing and hurting soon again?

Afterwards three doctors told him the same thing from what I remember, the forth one told him what he wanted to hear...Tmac made a decision against the Rockets doctors...it was informed...he's an adult...he had a final say in what happens to his body. To blame the Rockets for that is ridiculous imo.

And, no JV, there are a lot of folks like you that blame the organization for Tmac's issues...look at some other threads, you just happen to be the only one that's talking about it in here.

You say Adelman and Morey screwed him over? That's hogwash. He screwed the organization over just like he's done with other teams before. This wasn't his first rodeo...

 

Do you think everyone on the Heat wins with heart? I doubt it. Most are mercenaries gunning for a ship.

 

daywalker,
i think you completely didn't read anything on my post. I said Clutch writes from the heart.

 

I know you questioned tracy's heart as well.... just a neutral comment.... I leave it at that

BTW Yao's tenure did not end well with the Rockets either.... the only way to end it well is to go deep into the playoffs... that is harder than to crack a nut these days...without the supporting cast
I did not doubt that he writes with evidence.

 

but, why u no like tmac? He lets his will take over and scores 13 in 33???? He also wins me bets :grin:

 

The Toronto game. The year before when he wasn't with the Rockets during the playoffs, he was busy rehabbing.

Injury wise yeah. But with the Rockets and the fans, no. Don't act you don't know what happened with Tracy.

 

you must be betting against the Rockets winning a playoff series when he was here then.

 

I'm betting against you now. If I bet that they would win a championship, I'm sure my savior would have done that for me too

 

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