Bucher: Rockets will offer 2 best players for Bosh

Where is a link??

 

Disregard this thread...

I listened to a podcast with Bucher the other day mentioning this.

They were talking playoffs & Heat. Scenario being: lose in 1st, 2nd round, do they fire coach or move pieces around?

Bucher talked about a few ideas he had. They discussed how Bosh hasn't really been a post player... more of a jumpshooter while Wade/Bron are on the post more nowadays.

He mentioned that Scola is a beast in the post and speculated that it would be an interesting trade for both teams.

 

I'd do it....preferably Lowry and Scola. Love em both, but get something for Lowry/sign Dragic, and Scola has become too much of a liability on D.

 

What would be the difference between the Rockets and Bosh's Raptors?

Bosh is not a franchise player. Getting him would only ensure our mediocrity for the forseeable future.

 

Why no link

 

Give them lowry and scola for bosh and nobodys beating the heat for the duration off all their contracts...wtf is it with morey and freakin bosh. Im starting to hate this front office.

 

Seems like we'd at least give Moti a chance at the 4 first. It's possible Moti starting at the 4 and Llull subbing at the 1/2 will be a big roster improvement next year. If both are coming over, that'd make trading Lowry (assuming we pay the man, ie, the Dragon), Scola, and Martin feasible. Hope we get Camby and Dalembert back. Hope PPatt gets well and comes to beast next year.

Dragic Llull
Lee Llull
Parsons Bud
Moti PPatt
Camby Dally

Not bad. Maybe we can upgrade it through trades, free agency, and/or draft...

 

For talent alone, this would be a phenomenal haul if you could do Lowry/Scola/Dalembert for Bosh/Miller. Cleans up the roster so the multitude of young prospects the Rockets have coming up can get valuable development time.

However, everyone has to realize that getting Bosh is realistically a rental; he's got only 2 guaranteed years left before he can exercise his ETO, and while he might be leaving a bit of money on the table, but considering he already took less than the max to take his talents to South Beach, I doubt he would really care in order to go to a contender.

So you basically have the 2012-13 season + offseason in order to attract one of Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, or Chris Paul, otherwise Bosh torpedoes your 2013-14 season in the same way Dwight did to the Magic with incessant trade rumors and quitting on the team.

Is this a risk worth taking? Probably yes, because the end result is either a gutted roster that can race to the bottom and truly start over, or a true contender in the west. No need to worry about Bosh not being a primary option on offense, because the Rockets wouldn't build the team around him. If they do, he's gone in 24 months anyway.

 

If we got bosh and drafted Austin rivers I would be so happy

 

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7854295

I started at ~26:20 mark

Spoiler

Today is a good day to talk about teams we wont be talking about the rest of the year. That's the teams that didn't make the playoffs this season. Houston and Phoenix come to mind for two different reasons. I felt like Houston would be a playoff team this year. Phoenix intrigues me. Is this the last time we see Nash in a Suns uniform?

I believe there is a really good chance. I get the sense Phoenix will try to offer him a contract that everything else pales in comparison. If they offer him a 8 figure contract at this point, it will be hard to match that but I will say the fact that the Suns, I do believe at this point he wants to be on a competitive team. I believe he was on board with staying in Phoenix, there was a good chance of him returning to Phoenix and then they had the opportunity to get Boris Diaw when he was let go from Charlotte and Nash knew Diaw from their Suns days and knew what the Suns had and thought it would be advantageous to add Boris and Boris was willing to come back to Phoenix and the front office had no interest in doing that. Phoenix and Utah were the two teams that did not make, if you look at the WC, everyone else made a move and bolstered their lineups. For an older team like Phoenix and ability to get a guy they were familiar with and a guy their star said he would like to have, he immediately, it was no accident, he was on radio saying "I don't know what the future holds and I want to see what happens this summer before I commit coming back to Phoenix because I want to play on a competitive team."

Not like he was saying go and get me a superstar like Dwight saying I need a robin. It was go get Diaw.

Yeah. Get us a little help. This is a grind of a season, we're an older team, go get us a little bit of help. That has a psychological impact on teams even if the player that a team goes and gets doesn't have much of an impact. The message sent from the FO to the player is we're willing to spend to help you out and we're willing to do our part. When a FO doesn't do that, and a player looks around and sees that happening with other teams, you better believe that is a psychological disadvantage. Any of us, when we feel like our bosses are helping us do our job better, it motivates us and you find a way to go that extra 2%. In the NBA, sometimes that extra 2% determines whether you're in the playoffs or lottery.

Potential teams/options for Nash?

It's interesting. I've heard back to Dallas for a reunion. I would imagine that depends on Deron Williams. I've heard his name connected to Portland. I would imagine that is impacted by can they steal Goran Dragic from Houston? The other part will be, how aggressive are teams? I believe there are 12 teams with cap space this off-season. How aggressive will teams be right away to go out and get a guy and then how does Steve look at this? Does he want to be on a competitive team or be on a championship team? Miami has also been mentioned but I don't see him going for the minimum to join that group and that saga, quite honestly has to be...what happens to them, where they go, how far they go in the playoffs could impact what they do moving forward. I mentioned a number of teams that are interested. This has been such a strange season. I believe so much of it has to do with how things end up and who ends up winning the title this year. I believe that will have a huge impact on not only the team that wins or loses but a whole lot of other teams on how they approach the postseason and this FA period in the off-season.

Can you imagine, Miami, I agree it's slim, but two guys who won back to back MVPs and a Finals MVP in Wade. That's saying something.

Its gaudy. Its funny, I think about what we all thought and the hoopla when Miami put that Big 3 together and this is the end of civilization as we know it and who knows. Maybe they do win it this year and maybe all of that comes to bear. It's not a lock. Do you feel like they're the prohibitive favorites? I feel like they're in the mix, I feel like they're one of several teams in the mix. People I talk to believe if its SA and Miami in the Finals, they're going with SA.

Ric, I'll have a better sense after watching the first round.

I agree with you 100%. We're so used to seeing teams take it up a notch in the postseason. Question I have, after this 66 game sprint-marathon, how the Miami Heat and some other teams that have coasted to the finish, is this because they decided that we're good with where we are and lets rest up and we're saving ourselves and then we'll turn it up and get back to playing the same way at the beginning of the year?

I think that's how you have to look at it. The grind that this is. The amount of games played in a short amount of time, to think you can keep up and maintain any high level of play, that's asking too much of these guys. We used to see this of the Pistons a few years back when they made the runs to the Finals. I thought that was a disaster for certain teams because, they didn't have that superstar but had this feeling that they thought they could flip the switch. The one thing with this Heat team, because of the guys on the roster and the stars there, they are one of the few exceptions to the rule and can flip the switch and win.

The difference I'd say is, when we saw some of those teams, Detroit and the Lakers, they come to mind, we'd see them at the end of the year and say they aren't playing championship basketball but by in large, they still won games. They may have eeked it out or they were close results but were still winning games. Miami was losing games. Miami had a great chance to have the top seed and said or either said we're OK with the two seed or we don't have the energy at this point to expend. I'm right there with you. When they can play their high energy game, they're pretty darn impressive. I wonder whether they can get back to that level at this stage and....guys that are a point in their career where physically, can they recharge or are we discovering that at this point, this is the one thing that concerns me, that Miami has to play with energy. They're not an execution team. They aren't Chicago where we can walk it up and execute. That's how Dallas got them last year quite honestly. They got to the Finals and they didn't have enough energy left to continue to play the style they played and close it out. As a result, the team that didn't have as much athleticism as they did but could execute and squeeze the last bit of life out of that Heat team did exactly that.

2 scenarios, for me the answer is the same for both - Heat don't win the championship or Heat don't get to the NBA Finals, is Spoelstra gone? I say he is gone either way if those two things don't happen.

I'm not convinced they'll go that road. I believe they'll look at changing the mix of that team first. They would look at moving one of those big three first. Here's the question, who are you getting or bringing in that will change the dynamic? Who's the coach out there, because everyone says, Pat isn't coming down. I don't see that happening. Phil Jackson isn't going down to Miami to work under Riley. You can't just talk about Erik not filling expectations, you also have to look at the field of availability and say this is the guy who could. I don't see anybody who has rings out there or who can command the respect of those big three. Spoelstra still has a great relationship with Wade. That's a vital part of that. He probably has a great relationship with Haslem as well. Who are you going to bring in that you say, hey you know what, I know for a fact this guy can get more out of these guys. I don't see a coach out there that does that.

If mixing up the roster, what do you get for Chris Bosh then? What's his value? If you're changing the dynamic of this team, I don't think you would move Wade or LeBron. Knowing what Bosh has done these last 2 seasons and what he is making, he is a tough sell to get anything substantial in return.

Teams...for whatever reason, Houston would love to have Chris Bosh. Let's say, Goran Dragic and Luis Scola for Chris Bosh. They would put together, Kyle Lowry, they would put together whatever package, you could look at their roster, who do you want, we'll give it to you. I believe, I just know that for Houston. I have to believe there are a probably a couple of other teams that say we don't have a marquee player, we don't have a guy to build around and we think Chris Bosh is that kind of guy and would give up significant pieces to make that happen. I like what Bosh has done as far as...he's sacrificed his game to fit in there but what they learned last year, and that's the way they changed their offense this year, he's not a post guy. Hes not a traditional big man. They wanted to play LeBron and Wade on the wings and have Bosh as their post guy. The reason he's flourished this year is because they now play him as high post where he can shoot jumpers all day, which is where he is really effective, has more energy on defensive end and why you see them try to put LeBron James in the post more and even Dwyane Wade in the post more because they have moved Chris out. While his numbers have looked good, LeBron still...I kinda laugh at people, "Oh he has a post game now and he's in the post." when a guy is always stepping back, when he posts and is waiting for the double team and it doesn't come and he isn't going to the rim but is taking step back jumpers, he has done great making those but goes to the same point as Kobe, just because you're scoring doesnt mean you're having the same impact on your team. If LeBron is spinning and getting to the rim every time he posts that you are forced to double immediately or he is scoring easily, that now scares your D and forces you to change your entire D scheme because that guy is killing you. LeBron doesn't do that. He doesn't impose his will like that in the post. They don't have that guy who does that and that's a really vital part for any team that is hoping to have a championship. And I dare say, Luis Scola, as many years as he has, and I've seen it with Houston, he's scary on that post. He's a force on that post in a way that Chris Bosh honestly is not.

That's why I said before if I'm Miami, I do it in a heartbeat. I don't know about it from the Houston's perspective. But that's the fun thing about the Rockets. Daryl Morey is always willing to change the roster and mix things up. From our side, the media side, he makes it fun.

Absolutely. That's why I've always given Mark Cuban credit. He's always trying to reinvent the wheel, sometimes annoying because thinks he's smarter than everyone else. I will give him credit for, he's never sat back, actually this year in a way he sat back and said, we're gonna sit this one out and I'm not gonna go crazy and spend money. He's doing it for one year. It's not his nature. Before he has always been willing to spend money and make moves. I like that. I like teams and owners who are not sitting back and looking at the bottom line and making sure I got to make money off this enterprise or I don't want to risk this. Mark has never been afraid to do that.

Cuban is a fan. Do you watch Shark Tank?

Not religiously but whenever I catch it, I can't take my eyes off it.

Two quick things, one, have you been on record of who's going to the Finals?

I said at the beginning of the year OKC/Miami. I'm gonna stay with that. I would be changing it for the same reason that the whole picture may change again in a week or two. Injuries have had a huge impact on the season. With the level of play & intensity expected to go up and these teams beat up, I had a GM say that to me the other day, there will be a team that will sustain an injury that will take them out of the picture and it will be a top team. I think that's a fair way to look at it. I'll stay with what I got --OKC/Miami and got the Thunder winning it all.

A Bucher time story?

Not a Bucher time story as much as I believe its topical. From what I understand, after MWP was ejected from the game for what he did, that Mrs. Artest was in attendance and went back to the locker room to scold her son for what he did, which I just love on so many levels.

Or RMGEEGEE's post.

 

Lowry and Scola or Martin and Scola. Lets get it done.

 

This took some thought and time.

Trade Martin to Minnesota for Utah's first and their next first.

Dragic (SnT), Dalembert, Montiejunas, and two firsts for Howard. Make a deal with Orlando that we will take Turkey glue for Martin's TE after free agency is over.

Sign Williams for the max.

Lowry, Scola, and a first for Bosh (only if Miami fails which is unlikely). The Rockets would still have two stars if they can't get this deal done.

Re-sign Lee.

Williams
Lee / Bud
Parsons / Morris / Turkey
Bosh / Patterson
Howard

 

Let's all be honest yeah he's a fake tough guy but everybody admit this dude is a SUPERSTAR and has STAR TALENT

 

I don't think you can SnT an UFA.

 

Lol?
I thought u could only sign and trade restricted FA's...?

 

Switch him with Lee then, and add Parsons. Keep Montiejunas.


Trade Martin to Minnesota for Utah's first and their next first.

Lee (SnT), Dalembert, Parsons, and two firsts for Howard. Make a deal with Orlando to take Turkey glue for Martin's TE after free agency is over.

Sign Williams for the max.

Lowry, Scola, and a first or Budinger for Bosh or Gasol (only if one of them fails in the playoffs which is unlikely).
Re-sign Dragic.

Williams
Dragic / Bud (or a first rounder)
Morris / Turkey
Bosh / Patterson
Howard / Montiejunas

 

if ef---- only.

Reality says that play-off teams results in p/o's will affect their off-season decisions. IMHO no rumors with active teams mean - - - -!

 

(fixed Let's all be honest yeah he's a fake tough guy but everybody admit this dude is a STAR and has STAR TALENT

 

Good gamble if the Heat do not win.

 

Your scenarios are impossible. Keep in mind that a Trade Exception counts against your cap space unless you renounce it.