Tanking is getting your front office, coaching staff, and some players on the same page for theoritically "kicking the ball out of bounds." (case: late in the GS/Hou game, GS had a chance to foul and play the clock to try and win the close game, but Mark Jackson literally told his players out of the timeout to not foul, run the clock out, and essentially loose the game. His credibitily as a decision making coach has been soiled in the process. Very few coaches will go this route.) Rebuilding is moving pieces on that aren't considered long term solutions, infusing as much young talent as possible into your lineup as possible, and developing those players.
He could have traded Yao's insurance covered contract in the years PRIOR to it expiring, he held on far too long to the hope that Yao could come back healthy. Probably because trading him would have hurt Le$ in his dealings with China, but would have sped up the rebuilding. DD
If you think that trading away a good player for a pick of value or an expiring contract is automatically "tanking" since it makes you worse in the short term, then I don't know what to tell you. It's like trying to nail somebody with a thought crime, it's impossible. Sitting a good player, despite him being perfectly healthy, or putting incompetents in charge of your team temporarily... now THAT is tanking. Tanking rarely comes into the picture until the 2nd half of the season... hell, probably the trade deadline is when the real tankers start tanking. Tankers gonna tank.
Lets be specific here. Nobody is calling for cellar dwelling. If they happen to dwell in the lower half of the league by going young and drafting a young roster for a year? then so be it. That is part of rebuilding. Young guys lose sometimes. Then you also get a higher draft pick and more options with it. Lower pay roll. This does not mean the team HAS to stop winning. All it calls for is rebuilding the roster by trading away veterans fo draft picks or younger players. Maybe even upgrades in some cases. Going in a different direction does not mean you have to lose. Its only those scared fans who want to win 42 games every year who are too scared to change direction that think any kind of change leads to losses no matter what. You are never ever gonna be successful with Luis Scola and Kevin Martin as your best players. EVER. And if you dont get that by now? That your fault. This team needs a change regardless of your fear of change.
Would you qualify blowing a team up (i.e trading players and getting little return like the Wizards did a few years ago) tanking?
Everyone wanting this team to take a step back (in regards to wins) and develop young players should have been happy with the move. McHale was an unproven coach, but known as a good player development/mentor type from his days in Minnesota. Seemed like the perfect coach for a rebuilding team at the time. Little did we know, the team was good enough to still win just around the same amount of games, and end up in the same spot. Im not the biggest fan of McHale either, but I dont think he's the glaring issue. Im intriqued to see if he can do some things with our young guys with a Summer of work though. Im ok for giving him an offseason, but if he still makes alot of the same errors to close out the season next year its time to move on, and let a Chris Finch type have a crack at it.
Shut up fat boy! Morely has it under controls. He brought us Yao. He brought us Scola. He bought us GoGo Dragic. Learn somthing first before you try to say Morelys done boy.
May be should start a new thread on how to stop tanking...This way teams dont screw over loyal fans...fans at least want to see their "home" team still in the game at the end of games...than already being down by 30 at the 3Q mark...
Learn something idiot. Yao was also not Morey. You are thinking about our last great GM again. It wasnt Morey.
The fact that Morey tried to move them before the start of the season should tell you his stance on them as well. Its a given that the front office does not consider them the answer to their issues.
You claim that Morey "does not get" that his team won't be competitive with Kevin Martin and Luis Scola as his best players, you claim he is afraid of change, yet he traded them away last summer. That does not compute. You cannot say he thinks we are going to win with them, or is afraid of change, when we have on record that he traded them.
I dont care what he didnt do. Its what he is gonna actually have happen that matters. I am not gonna dwell on fantasy scenarios that Morey fails to pull off anymore and give him credit for his failed thoughts. Ok. Thats stupid beyond belief.
So if you are gonna come with things that never happened? Dont. Nobody cares about what never happened. Its over. Move on. Change the team in real life and not in your heads. Morey needs to have his fantasies come true for once. Not in your heads as his fans and not in his own. In actuality he needs to pull off some of these moves.
The deal was submitted to the front office and announced as finalized on ESPN. It ended up not happening but the fact is that all three parties Hou/LAL/ and the Hornets GM all agreed upon the deal and Stern rejected the deal after it was submitted. A deal not getting done is when Houston offers Sam Dalembert for the #1 Bobcats pick and they say NO.
Wait so playing Scola/Patterson to close games wasn't tanking? good because I wondering why they would try to tank at the end of the season. Stupid coaching? C'mon even McHale knows to play bigs to close a game. Something doesn't add up. Showcasing? If in fact McHale was that decided it was smart to close games with Scola/Patterson. Then Sorry but they need to fire McHale asap if that is the case. We Rockets fans should all be watching Rockets basketball in May it is such crap we won't see a post season . Sigh it is heart breaking deja vu . Third time wasn't the charm.
So what is your basis for saying that he thinks Kevin and Luis are going to make this team competitive, or that he is afraid of change? Can you tell us HOW you came to that conclusion and provide something to back it up?
Thats fair, but that doesn't change the fact that Morey was perfectly happy shipping them off to New Orleans. Case in point... He doesn't think they are the answer.
