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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. Nook

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    People have valuables stolen all the time but do not report it to the police for a variety of reasons. I grew up in a bad part of town, our apartment was robbed a number of times, and never reported it. Didn't want the cops anywhere near our home.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    To the bigtexxxs of the world, it is the central issue. To them, it goes to show he is "scary black guy who deserves to die."
     
  3. Granville

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    I don't have a bias. It appears that the kid made a tragic decision to commit a criminal act that cost him his life. I don't think that makes it okay to compound the tragedy by imprisioning someone or have lynch mobs execute that person who may have been defending his own life from a viscious attack.

    Ok... give me dozens of reasons...and at the end of the day it's still a police investigation that a law abiding citizen would want to assure that jewelry ended up in the possession of it's rightful owner, which could have been his friend. Then you need to explain the burglar tool that was with it.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    While that may be true, it doesn't show that Martin stole anything. Again, I'm just saying there's a strange double standard here, where people keep insisting on pointing out that Zimmerman wasn't convicted of anything, and that he was within his rights to ignore the 911 dispatch and carry his firearm while following Martin. Yet use any kind of circumstantial evidence to try and slander the character of Martin on things that happened and are far removed from the incident in question.

    I know that you didn't do this, but it's just odd that people do this. I'm fine not bringing up Zimmerman's police stuff that was from long ago as well as making all kinds of assumptions about Martin based on limited evidence and part of the story.
     
  5. Nook

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    Even if they want a boogeyman, the can certainly find one better than a teenager involved in petty low level crime. The prisons are full of murderers and rapist to base your platform... The whole thing is odd to me. Just like the posters that would argue that this was a white-on-black hate crime, regardless of the facts that emerged... This isn't even about the dead kid anymore, this is about a bunch of people with personal interests using the shooting as a spring board to argue their agenda.

    News flash- One kid is dead and another man is looking at having his life ruined... But all anyone seems to care about is whether Martin was a "thug"(code for bad black man) and/or Zimmerman profiled Martin (code for Zimmerman being a racist, because that is ALWAYS why something bad happens)... It doesn't matter, any of it...
     
  6. Nook

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    I agree there is a double standard, you consider it all or none at all.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Reasons for not naming the friend could be that he didn't want his friend to get in trouble, or have to deal with the hassle of being questioned. A reason could be because he found it. A reason could be because someone he was given it by someone else and didn't know where it came from, and didn't want to say anything in case it was stolen. A reason could have been that he bought it from someone and was worried it was stolen and he didn't want to snitch and get beat up for it. The list goes on and on.

    He wasn't caught with a burglar tool. He had a screwdriver. That's every bit as legal and within Martin's rights to have as Zimmerman's murder weapon that he was carrying.

    You seem to be biased against Martin by the fact that you are trying to defame his character based on circumstantial evidence, and an incomplete story as well as the fact that you seem to accept Zimmerman's version of events saying that Martin committed a crime the night he was killed. There's at least as much evidence in the public that Zimmerman murdered Martin as there is that Martin stole jewelry.

    I'd rather let the legal system deal with both cases before deciding either way.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    you're putting words in my mouth.

    I've long maintained in this thread that the media has been biased, in order to win in the court of public opinion. To most folks, Trayvon is a 12 year old boy wearing a Hollister shirt...and this type of blindly following what the media decides to feed them has led to violence in other parts of the country (in the name of Trayvon) as well as death threats to Zimmerman.
     
  9. wekko368

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    What criminal act did Martin commit?
     
  10. Granville

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    And to the Martin supporters.... Zimmerman was asked what the guy was wearing and among several pieces of clothing this Zimmerman guy (who had the white guy name but looks hispanic, who is much bigger than Martin but not so much when he's shown on TV, lies about his injuries well until the injury photos come out) had the damn nerve to mention a hoodie along with several items that Martin was wearing. So by all means he is a racist. He's a racist because he didn't go buy the handbook that clearly states that hoodies are on the banned list of items that that can not be used when describing what an African American is wearing.
     
  11. Granville

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    Assault at the very least according to a witness.
     
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    Once again you are not so good at this....You do realize that I said he was likely protecting himself or a friend??? I said...it was a part of a criminal code... Snitching....Geez.... Are you sleepy or something?

    All of those reasons that you mentioned are used to circumvent justice and are wrong.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    The reasons may not be right, but they are different than him stealing jewelry. Not snitching isn't part of the criminal code, it's part of the teen youth code. It often has nothing to do with criminal or not.

    Again, none of it is relevant, and none of it is violent. The bottom line is that either of us can sit here and guess what happened, but the only facts we have is that Martin was never charged with anything, and has no criminal record.
     
  14. Granville

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    Have a good night. I'm sure you mean well. Not gonna keep kicking you when you are down.
     
  15. Lil Pun

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    Witness testimony varies. Again nobody will ever know what happened when Martin and Zimmerman met face-to-face. It could have been self-defense on both sides but the sad truth is nobody will ever know for sure. In fact it could have been a lot of things on both sides but again we will never know for sure.

    I'd actually be a lot more defensive for people like bigtexxx, gwayne, gran, etc. if they didn't show so much bias and hypocrisy themselves while claiming that pretty much everybody else is but them.
     
  16. Anas acuta

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    You have no idea what I do for a living. You don't know much about me.

    Homes and car are broken into every single day. THOUSANDS of them across the Unites States, every single day. When a police officers sees property such as jewelry, golf clubs, GPS system, etc., he doesn't know how many burglaries have been committ in his jurisdiction where jewelry et. al. have been stolen, unless it's a TINY town with less than ten officers.

    If there is a jewelry theft epidemic going on, where homes are getting broken into every day in one area, and lots of expensive jewelry is getting stolen, it will probably be talked about. However, a lonely patrolman isn't going to know what kind of jewelry is stolen unless he took the report or took some initiative to learn about the burglaries. Isolated property crimes aren't the talk around the coffee pot.
     
  17. wekko368

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    Even if Martin threw the first punch, it can be construed as self-defense.
     
  18. no.3 for no.1

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    What criminal decisions cost Martin his life?
     
  20. StupidMoniker

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    I think he meant attacking Zimmerman.
     

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