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[Liberals] Will you reinstate a suspended p*rn teacher

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by YallMean, Apr 21, 2012.

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  1. Carl Herrera

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    This may well happen with her. If she cannot handle it or let it prevent her from doing her job, then she can either choose to or be made to resign on this basis. However, I would see how it plays out rather than deciding it without seeing the consequences first.
     
    #101 Carl Herrera, Apr 23, 2012
  2. YallMean

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    Being in p*rn before her teaching career has nothing to do with her teaching ability as a science teacher. As to the role model argument, see previous posts, I don't want to belabor them.
    However, I think, it would be inappopriate for her to show off her p*rn career to her students precisely because it has nothing to do with their education. For that matter, I acutually do not want my kid's teacher to brag about their previous careers of any sort. I will do that job. Contrary to some said, I wish my kid's teacher would only do the teaching, none of the role model duties. But that's probably just me.
     
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  3. YallMean

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    So? She also has a master degree in education.
    But you know the hearing committee on her case will probably go down the path reviewing all of her films with hard-ons but making a hypocritical judgement about her in the end. I don't know who's dirtier.
     
    #103 YallMean, Apr 23, 2012
  4. Dei

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    Yes it does. I said it before, it's a sensitive topic for kids. It is gonna be an issue. I don't why you're insisting it's not when there's already been a lot said of how it is in this thread.
     
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  5. Dei

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    Master degree doesn't negate Big Sausage Pizza.
     
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  6. YallMean

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    Ok, when I say teaching ability, I mean the competence in teaching science per se. I think you include in teaching ability the ability to control her class.
    Well, as I also said in previous posts, many teachers have trouble controlling their classes on their own and need assistance from the school to maintain order, i.e. kids get deciplined for talking down to the teacher in the class. Shouldn't she be given that type assistance if her authority is ever challenged in the class because of her past? If no, why wouldn't you?
    Second, if indeed, even with reasonable decipline in place for that type infraction in the class, she still couldn't get her students listen to her, then may be, only then, give her the no. Just like teacher with thick English accent, sometimes they will either have to change it or just quit. That should be the right consequence of her past actions in this case, rather than sacking her just because she, pizza box and a man caught entangled on a video.
     
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  7. YallMean

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    Oh, lady, you don't quit. :grin: :grin: :grin:
     
    #107 YallMean, Apr 23, 2012
  8. Dei

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    It's not just about her. You want to run the risk of exposing kids to adult material?
     
    #108 Dei, Apr 23, 2012
  9. Carl Herrera

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    You really think they are not aware of the existence of adult material without her?
     
    #109 Carl Herrera, Apr 23, 2012
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    Heck, I still recall being ten years old, and trucking around with some friends, when we literally stumbled across some guy's stash he'd tossed on top of his garbage can. All I can figure is that he either found religion, or found a girlfriend he was afraid wouldn't be into his collection. Kids aren't nearly as "unaware" of this stuff as parents might wish, and many parents expect behavior from their children far different from their own as a child, much less as an adult. I've always thought that a tad hypocritical, although I freely admit to limiting exposure to that stuff in my own home... at least limiting their ability to get at it.

    Parents tend to have a mental block when it comes to looking back at their own behavior when young, in my opinion.
     
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  11. Dei

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    At least the matter won't be pushed to kids on a daily basis, in the classroom.
     
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    Where's the evidence that the teacher did anything to "push" this to the kids in the classroom? On a daily basis, or any other basis related to the school? She isn't pushing this to be a topic of anyone's conversation. And if some kids have found out and a few have created this tempest in a teapot (my description), one might better spend their time asking the kids, "How do you know about her history?" In my opinion, at least.
     
    #112 Deckard, Apr 23, 2012
  13. YallMean

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    Oh, no, it's more like two hourly basis, speaking from my own adolescent experiences. Once the tap is open, man, I was so possessed like on a mission.
     
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  14. Dei

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    You can't fault children for being immature.
     
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    Well, you can if you are their parent! ;-)-

    Actually, you can fault kids for a lot. They are as different from each other as Tom Cruise and Clint Eastwood would be playing brothers in a romantic comedy. One thing I've learned is that you can't easily lump them together as some monolithic group. Having said that, my point was that the teacher isn't "pushing" this, and somehow, some kids found out about it and, IMO, chose to create some mischief. So how did they find out about it? Who's responsible for that? The teacher? The parents? Peers?

    Some of us believe in the power of redemption. That teacher isn't being given that chance at a new life. Even less of a chance now, with this coming out, and I think that's a pity.
     
    #115 Deckard, Apr 23, 2012
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    What I am talking about is that we are arguing about this in the abstract but a lot of things can affect how much someone's past affect their present ability to do a job. As I pointed out the state of California elected a governor who had done p*rn about 20 years prior to being governor but that didn't seem to affect his ability to be governor, that was prior to finding out he was carrying a longterm affair with his housekeeper though.

    The only thing we know about this teacher is that she did p*rn. We really have no idea how well she can control a classroom or if she had any other achievements. Further while this might be an issue while she is still relatively young and attractive will it matter when she is in her 50's?
     
    #116 rocketsjudoka, Apr 23, 2012
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    So even though you acknowledge that it isn't her fault for exposing kids to to adult material you still hold her accountable for that?

    Have you considered that maybe the parents hold some responsibility?
     
    #117 rocketsjudoka, Apr 23, 2012
  18. Dei

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    With awareness on the part of the students, her mere presence would be a reminder.

    I believe in redemption, too, but not at the expense of the children. That there be some avenues closed is a realistic consequence for past actions. She can have her new life elsewhere.
     
    #118 Dei, Apr 23, 2012
  19. Deckard

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    Methinks that Jesus, based on what little I've read, would have a problem with your idea of redemption.
     
    #119 Deckard, Apr 23, 2012
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    That's not really believing in redemption.
     
    #120 rocketsjudoka, Apr 23, 2012
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