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[Liberals] Will you reinstate a suspended p*rn teacher

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by YallMean, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    This.

    I can't help but notice some hypocrisy here from a state that elected someone who had done p*rn as governor.

    I don't think having done p*rn should automatically disqualify someone from teaching. I agree though this really comes down to how good of a teacher she is. If she is a good teacher she can overcome this if she isn't the distractions will make it difficult to teach.
     
  2. Nook

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    I don't think it should disqualify her, but I don't think she should be surprised that she has been let go. It is a distraction and will continue to be one based on the ease at which her performances can be viewed. Personally if I hired her, I would have told her that I will not hold it against her, but you better keep it quiet, because otherwise the outcry will cost you your job.

    I don't care if she did p*rn, I have caroused with whores, dancers, actors, and worse ... But we live in a very judgmental world.
     
  3. what

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    They want to brand her as immoral. That's it. Funny, they don't brand the parents for allowing their kids access to pr0n in the first place.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    It's not like she volunteered to teach students "the birds and the bees" with her greatest hits.

    Likely some pubescent kid happened on it by chance and spread the news like wildfire.

    It's a total distraction, and I think it's reasonable to boot her once stuff like that goes out of control.

    Again, her best chance would be to teach where something like that wouldn't be a big distraction and would be harder to expose, like an all girls school... spare a net-savvy teenaged lesbian student who likes big breasted blondes that can take it twice down there.
     
  5. across110thstreet

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    i'm not sure you are sharing factual details here, YallMean.

    it's pretty much legal in any state with certain restrictions
     
  6. Dei

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    Idk why we're discussing this. The nature of her work doesn't really make someone with her background eligible.
     
  7. YallMean

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    I am not a adult filiming regulation attorney, but from my limited knowlege ;), on this subject, only the CA supreme court ruled filming adult movies is legal, with restrictions, in the state. Now, let's not get technical what adult film entails for each state. That's the not main point here. I brought it up only because I read she hired a lawyer to argue that she had done nothing wrong because appearing in a adult film is legal in CA. If you are interested in adult film production in your state, assuming not CA, you should consult with an attorney specialized in that field of regulations.
     
  8. YallMean

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    Well, why is she not eligible? That's the question and discussion here.
     
  9. YallMean

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    Looks like you are suggesting a sliding scale when deciding whether to disqualify a teacher based on his/her past conduct. If a teacher has done something like this, then a little more teaching ability is required on him/her.

    I like that approach, a good compromise. On one end we can't just pretend as if her teaching and crazy past would not intersect, e.g. the distration argument, but OTOH, it's her livelihood on the line here - she probably studied hard and had a master's degree.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    Question: Should we not consider past actions at all?
    If so, which ones and why those particular ones?

    Rocket River
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    I think a number of people hit on it already. Regardless of the understanding and goodwill of administrators, teachers, and parents, maintaining the respect and discipline of the immature student body gets complicated when they know she was a p*rn actress and can watch her movies. You can't tell a 13 year old boy that that stuff is all in her past and he shouldn't let it affect how he relates with her. As an employer, I'd rather not deal with the headache. Just like a guy in a wheelchair can't be effective as a housepainter, a person with a p*rn history can't be effective as a schoolteacher.
     
  12. YallMean

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    Obviously, employer should consider an employee's RELEVANT past actions at hiring and during the employment to ensure that employee's fitness to fulfill the duties of the employment. As much as a prejudice that might be, e.g. once a liar always liar, one's past actions can, to some extent, help predict that person's fitness to do his current job. As said in the first post of the thread, many professions check one's background beyond whether that person has been convicted or arrested. E.g. nurse, lawyer, accountant, banker jobs etc all check extra at hiring.

    That said, however, there has to be a limit how much of past actions should be considered for such purpose. While checking one's past record of veracity is very relevant in a financial service related employment, is it relevant to base employment decision for a teacher on her past actions of being in an adult film? As many have said and also obviously, that should have nothing to do with her teaching ability. Now, as for the distraction and having a bad example as a role modle, I feel these should not be the sole criterions as to whether retaining her in the classroom. For one thing, adolescent kids are distracted in many ways already in today's school environment. I am not sure the distraction she brings to the classroom would be so disruptive to warrant her removal. Also, I know her case strikes a moral judgement in terms of the role of a teacher to her student, but should we be making that judgment? Many of us probably wouldn't mind watching the film she was in intimately, but then why is it not ok for her to be teach, if there is no evidence indicating that she conducts like a adult film actress in the classroom. If there are moral requirements on teachers, whose standards should be taken into account? Where is the stopping point? Should the homosexual teacher be removed according to many Korean parents I encounted in my son's school.

    I think the sensible thing for the school district involved in this case is to make a judgement only as to whether she is a competent teacher and the calculus should take her past actions into account, i.e. the potential distractions to the class. Other than that, the school should not be making any other judgment, e.g. based on how explicit the her films were. But that may be too much to ask from the school district.
     
  13. Rocket River

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    I think people have missed the most important aspect of teaching
    it is not Reading Writing and Arithmetic
    It is that they are in charge of the socialization of kids into a society
    we can put it on parent. . but they are not alone in this

    Pedophiles can teach the three R's
    Convicted felons too
    The People from the JackAss movies . . . .

    Does that mean they should?

    With a seemingly record number of female teachers turning up pedophile
    I think I err on the side of caution

    as for judgements. . people throw that around to cow people into accepting any and everything.
    Maybe somewhere out there. .. with a new name and where folx may not know her . . . Casey Anthony should get a shot at teaching [extreme to make the point]

    If your moral code changes in every situation . . . you really don't have moral code.

    Rocket River
     
  14. YallMean

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    Why is that? Many things were morally acceptably in various stages of civilization but then beame immoral afterwards. Also depending on circumstances, moral codes can vary. Take example of stealing, it is immoral to steal, but it is probably ok to steal, say in a North Korean Glug or Nazi camp, for one's survival.

    There is no indication of her being a pedophile, that is just too much of logical conclusion based on her past in an adult film. When one's historical record used for employment purpose, there has to be some bases that certain things can indeed predict one's fitness to perform the job, e.g. maybe satistically a lying banker is prone to cheat his client's money. In her case, I just don't see the connection between a adult film star and a pedophile or tendency to have inappopriate relationships with her students. I don't think there is a satistical foundation for that connection. Logically, think for a minute, I would argue, having done what she had done, it is less likely for her to prey on her students than an average teacher for she has channelled out her sexual eagerness through those films. Sure, this is an imperfect logic, but maybe just as illogical as yours.
     
  15. YallMean

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    Just to clarify, I would not hesitate to fire her if there is EVIDENCE that she acts inapporiately in the class.
     
  16. Dei

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    Because she was a pornographic actress. Kids will make a deal out of it which is exactly what happened. Her background is an impairment to her ability to effectively do her job.
     
  17. Northside Storm

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    If we hired and fired teachers based on how kids could make fun of them, about half of the teachers out there would not have their jobs.

    I think a general guideline of any rule is that if you're catering to the sensibilities of the Spongebob Squarepants crowd, you're kinda losing out.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Dei

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    A p*rn background still pokes out the norm.
     
  19. Northside Storm

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    So does having an odd wart on your nose, or thick eyebrows, or being physically handicapped, or obese, but I think it's against the law if you refuse to hire people based on that criteria, notwithstanding the fact that kids can make fun of all four, or, hell, anything at all.
     
  20. Dei

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    p*rn background still easily beats those.
     

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