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[Liberals] Will you reinstate a suspended p*rn teacher

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by YallMean, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. YallMean

    YallMean Member

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    You say sexing for money shouln't be the deciding point but , yet, the fact that those clips are unerasible is so serious that she should be dismissed. Why is the accessibility of her sexual acts done before her teaching career so damaging to warrant removal her livelihood as teacher?
     
  2. Nook

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    If she had been a prostitute, it would be far easier for her to bury her past. The fact that her past in graphic detail can be pulled up in 10 seconds makes it almost impossible to keep her position as an educator, and will make it a continual distraction. She knew that, or should have known that when she took the $10,000.
     
  3. B-Bob

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    Yes, you did. They didn't call the author Nathaniel Hawt-horn for nothin.
     
  4. QdoubleA

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    As someone explained before, you can't seriously believe that this wont be a distraction to the kids learning, it already is. Be real man, a bunch of teenage boys and their teacher is a former p*rn star? Not to mention the uproar the parents will be in.
     
  5. YallMean

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    I was approached by a number of parents, mostly Korean, in my kid's school to sign a petition to remove a gay teacher. I asked them why? They didnt tell me that the teacher was incompetent but insisted that the teacher would corrupt their kids agaist the teaching of bible. I didnt sign, not least because I did not respect their religious believes, but rather I just cant tell why the teacher would corrupt the kids against bible's teaching. There was no evidence that he encourage homosexuality in the class.
    The point is if you let the uproar of parents dictate who should be teaching their kids, there would be a mad house.
    As for the distractions to kids, they are mallable and they can be taught not to be disttracted by irrelevant stuuff outside their education. That is a part of education.
     
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  6. YallMean

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    The distraction argument is just too much? Do we fire every teacher if his/her pasr acts somehow distract kids in the class, like a former model for playboy or caught in good girls gone bad video?
    I think the bottom line is we just dont like teacher having been a p*rn actor prior, whether or not that affects her fitness to teach.
     
  7. Rashmon

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    By reinstate, did you mean ****?
     
  8. Nook

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    I personally do not care if she did p*rn, but yes it is too big a distraction.
     
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    I think it would be absolutely wonderful to have a former p*rn star teaching middle school. Most teachers I know struggle to some degree with a certain conflict between their personal lives and their professional ones. We want to be good role models, but we also want to be authentic and honest.

    Now, here's a woman who has been around the block, has some real life experience. We should be comfortable allowing her to be open about that experience so that the world of p*rn--a world many of you seem to be threatened by--can be demystified. Shoving all manifestations of sex, drugs, and taboo behavior under the rug does not create a "pure" learning environment; it creates a profoundly unreal one.

    The biggest objection to letting this woman teach seems to be that her presence would somehow be distracting to the vulnerable young minds in the classroom. It remains unclear, however, just what kind of effect this "distraction" would have. 8th grade boys sporting the occasional erection in class? That never happens without a p*rn star teacher! Kids are going to think about sex no matter what. They're even going to think about having sex with their teachers. Most classroom distractions can be prevented or curbed by setting clear boundaries and enforcing them. I don't see how this case is any different.

    As I mentioned before, I think this situation (having a known p*rn star for a teacher) could actually be a good thing. Her students might come away with a more empathetic outlook on p*rn, having met a real human being who used to act in pornographic films. On the flip side, if her termination is ultimately upheld, we send a message to our kids that there is no redemption for sin, particularly sexual sin. I don't think we want to do that. Most folks have had some kind of sexual experience they aren't proud of. Even if it wasn't caught on film, a sex act can become deeply ingrained in a person's sense of identity. Sex is a big part of being human. A society that turns away from sex and shames it is turning away from and shaming humanity itself.
     
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  10. YallMean

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    I think she should hire you in the appeal hearings with the district and to ask for a pay raise for her along the way!
     
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    For those of you who are uncomfortable putting people who have had active and interesting sex lives into positions of authority or trust, you may want to consider never looking into the personal lives of well, anyone that is currently in a position of authority or trust.
     
  12. LScolaDominates

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    Why, thanks!

    Honestly, I think a lot of the opposition to having this woman in the classroom stems from a sense of shame towards our own relationships with p*rnography. We are afraid to forgive ourselves, so we balk at the prospect of forgiveness for her.

    Then there's the argument that parents' inevitable reactions would themselves be a distraction. To me, that's like saying life is a distraction. Let's just build schools in underground bunkers, where our children will be placed soon after birth and will remain until they turn 18! Schools should be places where we learn about the world, not where we learn apart from the world; where we reflect on human experience, not where we deny it.
     
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    would jesus kick mary magdalene out of his crew because of her profession in her previous life? he who has not watched alternative entertainment may cast the first stone.
     
  14. edwardc

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    Yes i would reinstate her what she did before she became a teacher was her business.
     
  15. brantonli24

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    It could be very disruptive in a classroom, especially if she gets a class of troublemakers. If the teacher is weak enough, then any decent 'Bart' can weadle and insult a teacher enough to drive them crazy, and now imagine she's a former p*rn actress.

    Now obviously if she turns out to be one of the best teachers in the world and can control her classes, then well done, let her teach. But that would be very rare.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    One could say that about ones prison record
    or misbehavior at their last job

    Rocket River
     
  17. Akim523

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    Any day of the week
     
  18. Dairy Ashford

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    The problem is that this isn't personal. As a hypothetical parent I wouldn't want her removed, but I don't know that a democratically elected school board would have a choice.
     
  19. Northside Storm

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    So the point is not addressed to you, but the mob behind the elected school board.
     
  20. YallMean

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    so you would give her a chace to see if she can rein her class? Should her be given some help from the school to maintain the level of respect? Kids get diciplined for dissing teachers openly, dont they?
     

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