[ClutchFans] For Rockets, winning in 2012 would be nice, but losing might be better

This, we need keep our this year pick. If Morey did not trade our pick, I prefer to have a playoffs run, but for a cost of not having this year pick (who knows what could be happen for next year pick?), I do not know if it is good enough for a long term plan. Still if the rockets do make the playoffs, I am happy for the players, not for Les, who seems to more care his pocket than winning big.

 

Very prophetic, written in Nov. 2011, sounds amazingly current. I really believe that sometimes the fans are smarter than the professionals, or Morey is just being political correct with Les.

 

ppfffffttttt you are a volume shooter. you can hang your hat on something about 30% of the time...congrats

 

Hindsight is 20/20

 

So, my stats are going up then?



DD

 

I think Morey gets these guys on the relative cheap, thinking they won't suck if given the right coach and playing time. Then his gamble doesn't pay off when the coach tells him, "Look, he [Thabust, Flynn, Twill] doesn't get it in practice. You said 'make the playoffs'. With those guys we stand no chance."

Put it this way. I am caught between believing in Morey and thinking, If I were a decent poker player I'd love to play poker against Morey.

"Show your cards."

Me: "Full house, Daryl. What you got?"

Daryl: "DAMN! Three more kings and I would've had a four of a kind! I woulda had you! I woulda had you!"

 

Yes, but the outcomes are totally hypothetical.

Yes, we all agree that this would have been the year to tank given the benefits of this years draft.

Ok, that sounds great, but lets look at the Rockets situation and find out how that can be done in reality, and not in a vacuum.

I personally believe it wouldn't be that easy when you step back and look at each step in the process.

Clutch was completely right in concept, but I just dont think the fans on here realize how difficult it would have been for the front office to put the team in a position where they were actually bad enough to compete with the Bobcats, and the Hornets for lottery balls.

There are only a few things they could have done in their control that might not have even resulted in a much different outcome at all.

 

this is a deep draft...i never expected them to have the worst record in the league. but putting together little pieces here and there to cobble out a few more wins instead of playing the 09'ers was just a huge mistake in my book...particularly to the extent you gave up a first round pick to get one of those guys. seems entirely inconsistent and lacking any real thought towards big picture strategy.

 

Wait a minute.... I thought that the GM was not supposed to tell his coach who to play...... wasn't that accusation the reason that there was supposedly friction between Adelman and Morey?

You cannot have it both ways....

 

Yeah, good points. It very welll might have been a big mistake, but playing or not playing the 09er's was out of the control of mgmt. All they could really do is trade away players ahead of them in the rotation to force them into the lineup.

Since, this is such a deep draft, there are going to be huge misses early in the draft, and huge wins later in the draft as usual with the top 5 players being the major wins. Outside of Anthony Davis, there really isnt another player you can point to and say, that guy is going to change our franchise. Come draft day, 2 or 3 prospects will likely show something special in workouts/combine and make their way in the top 5.

If the Rockets could have found a way to be in the conversation to get in the top 5 then I would say it was worth it. In My opinion, for what its worth. Even with playing the young guys over Scola, Dalembert, etc. The worst this team could have got was 9 through 12. Maybe you think they would have been much worse then that. Who knows.

 

But neither looks good in absoulte term. Let's stop the relative terms. We are going to be stuck with mediocrity for awhile. This seperates good club from the bad clubs. Which one are we? Maybe it's time to review our management approach for the future.

 

The sad thing is, if there was EVER a season to just "tank" (play the young guys) this would be the season since it was so short. Instead this season in a microcosm is like JVG playing David Wesley in meaningless late season games.

Mediocrity Treadmill.

 

I still do not understand this logic. Its not hindsight. It never was and it never will be to say we should have rebuilt this year. People said before the years started and some of last year at the end of the year. IT NEVER WAS HINDSIGHT AT ALL!

 

as a GM, he has the responsibility to convince the ownership what direction the team should go. If he can't, it means he is not suitable for the position. to me he is a great left or right arm of a GM.

 

This quote motivated me to purchase NBA League Pass after passing on it for the last 5 or so seasons. I was glad to see the team appear to finally be ready to take its medicine, trade the vets, and run the young 'uns. Since such a strategy has a negative effect on win totals, I was committed to watching the young guys improve as the season went on. I was not happy to watch them tread water.

 

This is the first year in about 5 years I DID NOT get NBA League Pass. Was happy to save my money. I will fork over the money again when the Rockets show some sorts of direction in terms of obtaining high ceiling talent that can grow with this team to be a playoff force.

 

i bought it this season.

 

Well, who wouldn't with hindsight?

 

Thanks for mentioning this - I highly suspect this is going on, we saw Morey call off the Asik talks because it went above his assigned value (I do like Lee a lot), and also called off the Gortat talks for the same reason. It's solid moneyball....but I think sometimes you also need to extend and get your man.

Post-Gasol debacle, it looks a lot like retaining Martin was a big mistake. I really expected to see Martin and Scola sent off for draft considerations and salary filler, but I attribute that a little more to Les' WIN-ONLY directive.

I'd like to believe it could still happen, but it comes down to how Alexander reacts to this freefall of a finish.