Is Obama a true believer?

You agree with Rev. Wright's remarks?

 

I am cool with some of what he has said and not cool with other remarks he has made... and I have no desire in joining his Church....... but I don't agree with what many people have said in their personal interpretation of Christianity...... simply because I don't agree with them does not mean that I believe or make a judgment on whether they are Christian.....

 

What is your basis for thinking he's not a true believer?

 

you are what your record says you are
-thegundy

 

I beg to differ.

"You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them."

 

As far as I can tell, it seems to be premised around the logic that Obama is too smart to believe in a dumb thing like religion, and ergo must be a cynical adherent to it.

I guess republicans aren't subjected to the same scrutiny because there is a presumption of stupidity/disingenuousness that accompanies them?

 

No I am saying Rev. Wright's remarks about America have very little directly to do with the Bible and as such they shouldn't affect whether he is Christian or not.

 

That is not specifically about America.

Anyway I am not Christian but for the record Siddartha Buddha never said anything about America either.

 

Haven't read the Book of Mormon, have you?

 

I said he said it and that it was incorrect. The thing I said was the exact thing you said. You're really making a habit out of misreading my posts and replying based on your own misreadings. You quote me agreeing with you as evidence I don't. It's getting weird.

 

That describes everything ever.

 

Calm down.. I quoted you because I agree with you and was expounding on what said.. Everyone knows where you are on the political scale. I am not quoting you to disprove anything you said..

 

My smart phone cut me off... Further, I cannot think of a single time I misread what you have said... Doesn't mean I haven't but not that I can think of.

 

Nook: You didn't say you were agreeing with me. You quoted me and then registered your disagreement with the same thing I had disagreed with, which is a weird thing to do. Normally one would quote the person they disagree with in order to register their disagreement with them. So maybe I was the one that misread you but I think anybody would have.

Yesterday, I think?

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6771515&postcount=98

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6771581&postcount=102

I had thought you'd apologized for misreading me but I guess you didn't apologize for that. You obviously did misread me as your response to that other post didn't make any sense.

But I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I like a lot of your posts.

 

Also:

That is why it is called a smart phone.

 

Sorry, should of prefaced my response. I was only expanding on what you said... I can see how it would be difficult to follow my train of thought when there is no explanation or transition. For what it is worth I sometimes forget someone doesn't know what is in my head if I don't tell them.

Apologies

 

Peace.

 

Most politicians, wealthy and powerful people know two things:
1) How large systems work, who decides what, and who benefits.
2) How large groups of people get convinced to do things.

You get enough peeks behind those two curtains, you instinctively root out all the self-interest, spin and self-delusion that drives most socially and morally based organizations. I think that extra sense of cynicism prevents a good quarter to a third of politicians from being even remotely religiously faithful.

 

Then Communism and Jew happened, America became a superpower and women wanted to make money or get laid without getting married; so religion became the traffic cop for conformity and establishmentarianism.