Would Dragic be playing this well if he was extended?

One proble with letting Dragic become an RFA is that if he signed a bigger deal (even a 4 to 5 mil a year deal), it would have forced the Rockets to essentially abandon much of their hope of pursuing a significant FA-- be it Nene or Dalembert-- in order to match it.

 

I have no idea why you are trying to put so much effort into bashing an obvious fantastic GM.

The standards you are trying to hold him too are simply astounding.

And this gem here just blows my mind.

They could of cared less about him after this year because they traded him in the offseason only to have it veto-ed in an unprecedented act that has NEVER happened before.

But I suppose they should have seent that coming.

 

Larsv8,

What is the GM's job? To find talent, and Morey has repeatedly said he is trying to stock the roster with high upside talent.

Makes sense right?

Well, he said Twill had the most upside - and obviously did not think Dragic did, or Lin....

I am not down on Morey, I am merely willing to look a little deeper and hold him accountable for his failures and well as his successes.

If any of his misses develops into that ELITE player we are missing, he should be held accountable.

DD

 

That's the WHOLE point. You say Morey could have forced Dragic to sign a cheap deal for multiple years by making him an RFA.

That's not true. Dragic can sign a one yr deal and retain his unrestricted free agency this summer.

Where did you hear this? not true,

I still don't think you are following me. A qualifying offer which is required to give a player to make them restricted is for one year. If Dragic signs it, which sometimes happen, he would have made the same money this year and he'd be unrestricted this summer.


Nothing what you say is guaranteed to happen just because he's restricted.

Here is what you would have said
I guarantee that had Morey not picked up the team option and waited Dragic out for a few weeks in December without be able to play for the team ... or go to practice,,,you would have be b****ing how Morey is low balling him and treating him like an asset.

Now, you say Morey screwed up for not pissing off Dragic and making him go get an offer in December before he could join the team.

 

True, but if they could recognize Dragic's talent beforhand, they would not worry about that and with the amnesty in their pocket they could have still signed those guys.

DD

 

Yes, it is true, I was talking about a team signing Aaron Brooks to a one year BIG offer this year and Phoenix being forced to match, it was correctly pointed out that no longer can teams offer RFA's one year deals.

DD

 

And if he signs it for just one year, we are really screwed. He gets his money a year early at 125%, we have less flexibility in trades, AND he becomes unrestricted to pursue any starting job he wants.

 

People, people.

Please don't feed the bear.

That is all. Carry on.

 

Qualifying offers are for one year.
No one but Phoenix can sign Brooks.

 

Ugh, he was a RFA when the conversation was going on - yes, only PHX can sign him NOW...

DD

 

Seems like you aren't looking very deep at all, only at one very routine move, with a very weird sense of logic.

FFS, we haven't even seen what happens with Dragic in free agency yet.

 

It smelled blood.

And it will never stop.

 

I concede that, if Dragic signs here, after Morey offers a better deal than anyone else, it will all be good.

DD

 

and the only way Brooks can play is by taking the qualifying offer for the remainder of the year.

Dragic's qualifying offer would have been 125% raise for one year -- as an RFA. Had he signed that instead of going into the RFA market, he would have made it to preseason camp on Day 1, made more money than this year and became a unrestricted this Summer.

If the dude wants to be an NBA starter (and is willing to move), why do you insist it's a done deal that Morey signs him before the season began to a cheap deal for multiple years as a backup. Dragic is risking more money signing too early with Morey than waiting a year while still making $2.1m.

No guarantees Morey could have signed him as an RFA.

 

I hear ya, the only way it would guarantee it is if someone else wants to sign him and Morey matches.

I concede that he might have just taken the qualifying offer from the Rockets, but he could not have signed a 1 year deal with any other team.

DD

 

I think the confusion is that heyp is talking about qualifying offer and DD is talking about offer sheet. But I could be wrong, I have no idea wtf is going on or why Jeremy Lin is relevant

 

I don't think this is a fair statement. We judge GM's performance just like we judge player's performance. When I say, "Rafer sucks at shooting," I don't mean to claim that I am a better shooter than Rafer Alston. I am just saying that for his job as an NBA player, he sucks at shooting. Why can't we say that the GM made a bad move without claiming that we know better than him?

Also, when I say, "Scola should have made that easy layup," I don't necessarily mean that I think Scola is a bad player. Criticizing one of the GM's moves does not mean I think he's a bad GM. I don't know why you seem to have to defend Morey from every critique in order to show that he is good.

I agree to a degree. A major part of the GM's job is to evaluate talent and act accordingly. The only way you can tell whether a talent evaluation is correct is by hindsight. And if the GM consistently gets good result (which I believe Morey does), you judge him as good, and vice versa.

Let me again use judgment of player performance to illustrate. It is correct to say that a missed correct shot is better than a made ill-advised shot. So you judge his performance AT THE TIME OF THE SHOT, not the result of the shot. BUT, if a guy keeps missing open shots that are "correct" shots (e.g. Rafer) then you have to conclude that he just sucks at shooting. If a guy keeps making ill-advised shots (e.g. Kobe) then you conclude that he is a special talent.

When Morey drafted Carl Landry, we scratched our heads. In other words, we judged that it was a bad move. But hindsight tells us that it was a great move. Trading Brooks for Dragic might be similar. Trading TWill for a 1st round pick is the opposite. If Morey kept making TWill type deals (not saying that he does), then no matter how reasonable those deals were, you would have to conclude that he sucked at talent evaluation.

The bottom line is, hindsight is necessary in evaluating a GM's performance because hindsight is the only way to judge talent recognition, and talent recognition is a major part of a GM's skill.

 

I still don't get your logic. If the Rockets opted out, Dragic would either (1) be a RFA and sign a contract most likely be much better than his current one or (2) sign a one year deal (with a slight raise) and be a UFA.

Option (1) gives the player one year earlier to test his market value and get the security of a guaranteed deal. Option (2) lets the player get a slightly higher salary for this year and still get to be UFA the same time as if the team picked up the option. Either way is better for Dragic than the Rockets picking up the option. How is it not benefiting the player? Not picking up team option always benefits the player if he is getting paid under his value. I thought that would be simple logic. The guy is released from an undervalued contract.

 

It does seem that Morey didnt project Dragic into long term plans.

Regardless, Rockets were trying to go for the BIG FISH in the free agent pond. If you try to secure Dragic longer term, it interferes with that approach? Its a bit of "all or nothing" risk. One seemingly that the Rockets are willing to take.

I guess its less about if the Rockets are trying to keep Dragic and keep their own players locked in. More about if trying to have maximum cap space to land SUPERSTARS with miniscule or NO CHANCE at getting them is an agreeable approach.

(Then there's TANKING to consider...?)

 

This is how I see it too. Maybe Morey thinks that it is not difficult to get a guy who can play at Dragic's level. Maybe he thinks Llull will fill that void soon enough.