I see the pattern where flamingdts can't stop a personal b!tch war and ends up apologizing to "end it" when the other poster already had like 5 posts saying he's done, while flaming stretched a dead argument to unbelievable length. You really have to stop taking it to a personal level sometimes and trying to prove something when it absolutely doesn't add to the argument.
Collison is actually a pretty good PG, and he has done well also, so I'm not sure what your point is. Dragic's 36 minute stats from last year were pretty good, but not as impressive as this 18 game run at all. He only averaged 5.4 asts in 36 prorated minutes last year. Yes, Dragic has played well in the past, and also in extended minutes, BUT he has never played THIS WELL, except for the Spurs game 2 years ago. Also, there are a lot of people in this thread that need to improve their reading comprehension skills. I wasn't even comparing Dragic Vs. Collison as a player; it was more of their increase in level of productivity beyond what we thought were "normal" and the fact that we should take a small sample size with caution.
Not really, just wanted to say it because I see you do that stuff to multiple posters and assume you can't stop. I sense you don't understand the word hypcrisy from the contexts I've seen you use it in.
This is completely false. These stats are from this year: Per 36 as a Starter: FG: 52%; 3 Point: 44%; Ast: 8.6; Pts: 18.0 Per 36 as Off Bench: FG: 42%; 3 Point: 26%; Ast: 5.6; Pts: 13.8 How has this suggested that he was going to do this if he had starter minutes? He was barely making it as an average point guard in the league. I mean these numbers indicated that he'll be in somebody's rotation, but to say that they suggest a top 5 PG in the making is absolutely false.
By multiple posters you mean you and DD. You and I got into in the Lowry and Rondo thread, so I assume you held a grudge since then. We can pin point that thread if you like. But then again, if you can show me where I take things to the next level like in this thread against another poster, I'll concede. And I'm saying you are hypocritical because you are piling on after we agreed to stop derailing the thread. What do you hope to achieve by fanning the flames?
Why would we only look at his numbers off the bench this year? Talk about your small sample size. Last year with us per 36 minutes: 16.2 PTS, .604 TS%, .472 FG%, 5.2 AST, 2 TO, 5.3 RB Combine that with his bench numbers this year and you have a more accurate picture. It probably averages to about 15, 5, and 4 with very good efficiency & defense. It's a substantial step up from there to 18, 8.5, and 4, but not as much as you're suggesting.
Also, keep in mind that both this year and last Dragic often came in and played the 2 while Lowry played point guard... thus the lower assist numbers.
Dude I just said it in calm manner, chill. I don't have a grudge, just find it annoying to see the same pattern again. I'm not fanning anything, just wanted to give you advice for the future, because going to a personal level never helps in these arguments. I didn't even want you to reply or anything. PS: Please look up the definition of hypocrisy before repeatedly spilling it out of context/meaning.
Like I said, besides DD and you I don't recall where I took arguments to a personal level. I already told you if you could show me where I took things personally then I will concede. And there is nothing wrong with my usage of hypocrisy. Now are we done?
I dont get the comparison at all though bc basically you are saying collison got extended minute and then after that season did not show the same production. ANY player that gets increased playing time on a consistant bases will increase their numbers (unless they dont belong in the league) so really that "dragic rise" is like just about any player not just collision, the only difference is dragic has had a larger body of work which would suggest that his stats are not a fluke
It was done before your first reply, and stop always asking for people to show you things when they don't give a ****. And yes, you use hypocrisy wrong, but 99% of public do that. Please don't reply or apologize.
another reason that your stats go up when you become a starter (besides the increased minutes) is bc you are playing with starters who tend to be better players than the bench players and usually have more continuity of play. This is esp true for a pg and assist/TO numbers... better finishers/better ball handlers. This statement is even more valid when you consider that in the beginning of the year some of the people that came off the bench were flynn, hill, thabeet, (ineffective.revering from injury) patterson, (struggling) buddinger, twill. Lastly when dragic played at the same time with lowry (as they have when both are healthy) lowery usually handles point thus once again affected the assists
No, you are pretty much right. I do not expect him to be a 18 points 9 assists guy. I think if you split the difference in his starting and backup numbers you get his true numbers for a whole season. Those numbers would average around 15 points and 7 assists for a starter. Those are still exciting numbers that Lowry puts up.
Yes, I think he is a 15 and 7 type guy right now in terms of skill level. Every game he plays this well the more it seems like he is better though. I also think he has more upside than Lowry because he has better physical tools and his style of play is more of a Steve Nash, keep dribble alive and penetrate type style.
An impossibility my good man, he must reply, he must have the last word, it is his nature, he will be unable to be the better man and not respond, he can't do it. OCD has a nameth and it is Flamingdts.....a hypocritcal OCD bound argumentative (which I can appreciate), know it all. Now respond Flaming, I IMPLORE you, you must respond, no way you can't. I am your puppet master. DD
Okay, I'll give you stats from last year that you completely failed to mention. Your stats were from his Houston stint with only 22 games. Here are Dragic's performance last year with the Suns in 48 games, much bigger sample. Per 36 Last Year with Suns 14.9 PTs, 42% FG, 28% 3 Point, 6.3 AST, 4.1 TO Since you wanted last year's stats, these are the 48 games with the Suns, which is again, a bigger sample than with the Rockets' 22 games. Nobody would have predicted Dragic's increase of ASTs to almost 9 per game.
What do you not get? Any player will increase their numbers, but you base it off Per 36 minute stats to show this. Dragic's Per 36 minute number indicated that he would average 5-6 assists per game, NOT close to 9. This is why it is a "Rise". Also, don't give me this crap about Dragic playing the 2. He was the PG for the Suns and he did not get close to 9 assists per 36 minutes played.
Yes, but he was more of a scoring point with Phoenix's 2nd unit, and here he is more of a pure PG who also scores. I love the way McHale uses him, it is tailor made for his skillset. DD
