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Mr. Holder's ballot

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gwayneco, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. bmb4516

    bmb4516 Member

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    So, voter fraud happens?
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Actually, I do not have a valid ID. I have a Texas driver's license that expired in 2008 that I have not been able to renew because I haven't taken the time off work to get it done. The day I DID take off to renew it was wasted because now they require you to have your physical SS card with you and I lost mine. So, I have to spend a day at the SS office, wait for that card to come in, then I will be able to renew my DL.

    However, I was able to fly with my UH employee ID.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Not in great enough numbers to disenfranchise the people who don't have and can't reasonably get ID.
     
  4. Oski2005

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    Murders happen too, should we just get rid of all guns?
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    A voter registration card should be enough proof that you are who you say you are.
     
  6. bmb4516

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    Nope, and that's my point. You have to show and ID to get a gun. You should have to show and ID to vote.

    Regardless of whether or not there is actual voter fraud, the majority of Americans, both Republican and Democrat, think there is.

    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fraud

    Representative Republics rely on the appearance of free and fair elections as much as actual free and fair elections. I'm willing to compromise. How about voter registration card (to prove you're registered), some sort of invoice to verify address, and the purple thumb (to prove you've only voted once)?
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    Go to a gun show, most of the dealers there will sell to you without ID.
     
  8. Oski2005

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    We already have voter registration, that's the same as gun laws. The only reason people think it's an issue is because of the people who push it as one without the facts to back it up. Voter frauds get caught and they get a very harsh punishment. Making it harder to vote doesn't prevent voter fraud, it just prevents certain people from voting.
     
  9. Major

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    Completely false. It makes it more difficult for the, in your estimate, 2% of people that live without and ID. And with the easy availability of fake IDs, it doesn't make it that much more difficult to commit fraud.

    No, it really isn't, if you're poor and only use cash or live in a rural area. In addition, I suspect there are many urban homeless people and others that manage to survive without an ID. What you really mean is that it's difficult to live the way you and I do without an ID.
     
  10. mc mark

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    There are those who choose to live "off the grid". I know several.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    The numbers definitely do not lie.

    The amount of "voter fraud" prevented by more restrictive voting laws is a nanoscopic fraction of that 2%.

    Here is a protip: Nobody gives a **** what you are proposing. Your basis of factual knowledge in this area is very very very low as you are demonstrating. Accordingly most of your proposals are pointless.

    And you ask where the reasonable people sympathetic to your point of view are? The answer is that they are either laughing at you or embarrassed by you.
     
  12. bmb4516

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    Sam, why don't you want minorities and poor people to have the right to vote? Why do you want people to be able to commit voter fraud under their names? You're either a racist or part of the 1%.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    I don't even know what any of this means. :confused: I wish there were a reasonable conservative here to help translate...i guess tridents are scary. :(
     
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Agreed, but even that is not required.
     
  15. tallanvor

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    53,000 dead voters in Florida

     
  16. mc mark

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    good for Florida
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    Any data on whether any of them actually voted after they died? My guess (given the source) is that none of them had voted, which underscores what all of us have been claiming WRT Voter ID: There is no appreciable amount of voter fraud going on.
     

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