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Would you rather have Deron or the Lowry/Dragic combination?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jopatmc, Apr 10, 2012.

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Would you rather have Deron or the Lowry/Dragic combination?

  1. Deron

    129 vote(s)
    40.2%

  2. Lowry and Dragic together

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  1. Obito

    Obito Member

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    Homergoggles...

    I love gogi & the pitbull but Deron Williams is a superstar on a **** team. I don't think Lowry & Dragic have ever even combined for 57 points... C'mon now.
     
    #21 Obito, Apr 10, 2012
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    I wasn't laughing at your spelling.
     
    #22 AroundTheWorld, Apr 10, 2012
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    I think so.
     
    #23 AroundTheWorld, Apr 10, 2012
  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Yea because all we need is Garnett to make a Championship run?

    Even if we had Garnett on this team we wouldn't be favorites to win in the first round.
     
    #24 REEKO_HTOWN, Apr 10, 2012
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    You didn't blow anything to anything.

    And I am not the only one who noticed.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...4_portland_89_goran_dragic_spurs_rockets.html

    Pretty sure an NBA head coach knows a bit more about basketball than you do.
     
    #25 AroundTheWorld, Apr 10, 2012
  6. conquistador#11

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    if he is a superstar his team would have more wins than they have now, no excuses about **** team. that's what "superstars" are supposed to do.
     
    #26 conquistador#11, Apr 10, 2012
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    They play similar in one way: The Fast break. They both have great Euro step (travels) but have you forgotten how Manu plays?

    and the Portland coach? He was a video coordinator that got a summer league coaching gig before becoming a coach. Yeah, spectacular resume of experience.
     
    #27 REEKO_HTOWN, Apr 10, 2012
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    Better than yours.
     
    #28 AroundTheWorld, Apr 10, 2012
  9. stmeph

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    Despite my personal preference for Lowry and Dragic, I think the correct move would still be getting Williams.

    Dragic is definitely worth more than the MLE, so if his contract value is in excess of $8 million, then, combined with Lowry, we are basically splitting one max contract PG into two. One would also have to act as a part-time SG for a three-man guard rotation, probably with Lee. That would likely be Dragic, as he is bigger than Lowry and would be better able to defend opposing SGs.

    It's a good back court to have.

    However, good cap management requires that the players you're paying are outperforming their contracts. The only time it's worth overpaying is when you're a clear title contender.

    Given that we're not, Dragic's expected contract would be priced at a point where it would be appropriate, but would no longer be a fantastic deal. Between Lowry, Dragic, and Lee, our salary obligations would be expected to be between $26-30 million per season.

    On the flip side, it would be hard to argue that Williams is not worth his max contract. He's outperforming his contract, and if Dragic walks, we will always be able to get another backup cheaply. Given Williams's own minutes, any backup would be needed for only a low number of minutes.

    The best contracts in basketball are:
    1) Superstars paid max contracts
    2) Rookie scale contracts
    3) 2nd rounder contracts

    The worst contracts in basketball are:
    1) Fringe stars paid max contracts
    2) Free agent signings
    3) MLEs

    Dragic is a free agent. At BEST, we have paid him fairly. At WORST, we had to outbid others to retain him, meaning we are overpaying.

    We can't promise him the starting job like other teams can. We aren't in dire need of a starting PG like some other teams are. It would be difficult to expect a home team discount, especially since he's only played here for us for less than 1.5 seasons.

    I love both Lowry and Dragic, but the best option is not to retain both of them, but to move on.
     
    #29 stmeph, Apr 10, 2012
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  10. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Maybe, but not anything for you to brag about.
     
    #30 REEKO_HTOWN, Apr 10, 2012
  11. Obito

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    The Net's without Deron Williams would probably get beaten by the women's Baylor team. He had to score 57, AGAINST THE BOBCATS to win that game. Superstar win you games, they're not miracle makers. Give that dude another All-Star & they're battling against the Magic for that 5-6th seed.

    The only thing I'll knock off Deron that our PG's have is defense, everything else Deron is superior. Give credit where credit is due.
     
    #31 Obito, Apr 10, 2012
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    Are you a little bit dense?

    "I take offense" because someone said Dragic looks a bit like Ginobili, as if someone was personally insulting you by making the comparison.

    You should probably turn off the computer and get some fresh air.
     
    #32 AroundTheWorld, Apr 10, 2012
  13. jopatmc

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    That is true. And that is why I am torn. Deron is an obvious superstar, a top 10 player in the NBA as far as I'm concerned.

    The thing is, if he goes down, you can't replace him on a team. You put him and Dwight together and you've basically got $36 million tied up in two guys. You gotta build out the rest of the team with $22 million. You give Camby a couple million. You most likely have lost Morris and Patterson in a Dwight transaction. You may have to take back an albatross contract like Hedo to get Dwight. Re-sign Lee for $5 million. Then what? And if either of Dwight or DWill goes down....well, it's season over.

    I'm starting to have some doubts about DWill/Dwight. In my opinion, re-signing Gogi to play with Lowry and then getting a guy like Dwight to realize what we got and want to play here would be ideal. Our perimeter plus Dwight, Camby, and whatever else at PF, Patterson/Motie. That's a lot better team to me than just DWill, Dwight and whatever else we can scrape together. So, I'm wondering, if we could get another over-the-hill big that used to be premier and still has plenty of game like Garnett to take say a 3-year deal at $30 million and we retain everybody else we got, plus possibly use Martin and Scola and whatever picks we have as trade bait to trade for one more big time player. I'm wondering if that unit would be better than Dwight/Dwill and whatever else.
     
    #33 jopatmc, Apr 10, 2012
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    Michael Redd
    Elton Brand
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    #34 emcitymisfit, Apr 10, 2012
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    We'd win more games with Lowry/Dragic than Deron so the answer is easy. Deron might be individually better than Lowry and Dragic but Rockets are better with the combo. Our area of need is a dominant Center or power porward.
     
    #35 mazinger, Apr 10, 2012
  16. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I take it personally because I've watched Ginobili play for 10 years, win 3 Championships and just because Dragic has started for less than half a season he can just play SG like him? It's a lazy comparison.
     
    #36 REEKO_HTOWN, Apr 10, 2012
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Chill out, nobody said they are the same person. If that is what you understood, perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension. :rolleyes:
     
    #37 AroundTheWorld, Apr 10, 2012
  18. Obito

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    Take your little b**** fight to the unsorted, nobody here wants to hear all that noise.

    :)
     
    #38 Obito, Apr 10, 2012
  19. jopatmc

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    See, I understand your thinking here. And this has been what Morey has said up until now. But a couple things we should consider here:

    1. The new CBA with the stiff penalties for luxury tax is going to change the way teams do business. Value is the name of the game.

    2. While MLE contracts have historically been bad contracts, you have to consider Morey's ability to recognize a mistake and turn it into a positive. Ariza for Lee stands out. And paying Lowry less than $6 million a year for 4 years stands out too, when he's really worth Scola money or more.


    Then we should consider what Goran's true worth is going to be. Kinda hard to pin that down. But the guy is a difference maker. I'm not willing to say he's a max player. But I tell you what, I'm having a difficult time seeing where Lowry and Dragic in combination at less than a max contract is not just as good or better than one superstar point guard on a max contract. It's two guys, two very, very good players, for the price of one superstar. That is, if we can re-sign Goran for $10 million or less per season.

    I think there is going to be a paradigm shift in team building. And we may be on the cusp of it happening.

    Oh, and to add to your list. One of the worst contracts is a max player on a max contract chewing up cap space while they are on the injured list.
     
    #39 jopatmc, Apr 10, 2012
  20. finalsbound

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    Lowry/Dragic on the court together is magic.

    maybe, just maybe they can both sign and one of them can accept a significant role off the bench?

    makes me sick to think of letting Dragic walk...

    also makes me sick to think of getting rid of both of them for Deron...and then he goes down with a season-ending injury.
     
    #40 finalsbound, Apr 10, 2012
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