Chron: MRI reveals a tear in Kevin Martin's labral

A lot of things can happen during this offseason. Stranger things have happened. Maybe he is going to stay here.

 

We don't need cap space to resign them. We have their bird rights. We only need his cap space if it meant getting a superstar. With Dwill the only one somewhat available next year, I doubt he goes somewhere unless we can get a Howard rental.

 

I have no problem hating on players. But people are just flat out making things up and I can't stand that.

I busted Daywalker not two days ago claiming Martin complained about his minutes and wouldn't accept a role coming off the bench. That has zero basis whatsoever. Its completely fabricated.

Now DD is acting like he hasn't drawn a foul all season long. His gets to the line 5times on 15 shots a game. His TS% is still among the top on the team among wing players. He has gotten to the line 10+ times in 6 games this season, 5 + in 17 games. His 3 point shooing is down to 35% from 40% last year, but what does that have to do with fouls? NOTHING. It has to do with the offsense getting him open looks in the spots he is comfortable.

We moved from an offense that catered to his skill set perfectly to a new one, plus he has been injured. The fans have given him zero leeway to adjust. The first game of the season after the nixed trade was a bad game for him and he was public enemy number one from that point on.

Stop being bad fans and support your team and it's players.

 

HE DOESN'T PLAY DEFENSE !!!!!!!

I support the Houston Rockets over any one player...once his usefullness is used up, he can move on.....

That is where I am with Kmart, the team is better off with him in a suit than him suited up.

Plain and simple, he no longer fits or makes this team better.

DD

 

Now you are going overboard.... You busted me because I said he told the media he was ready to move on from the Rockets because he knew he would be traded if the right deal came along.
In addition he was saying he is not getting enough minutes to get it going which is correct from his point of view...
I never said it is anyone's fault... We had 13 able players at that time, even Twill was an option at that time. Playing time is scarce.
Never fabricated anything, there might be words mouthed that might be differently said but has the same meaning.

 

Don't be a hyporite. If Martin is net zero, Budinger is a negative. He's even more inconsistent on offense and doesn't have nearly the scoring ability as Kmart, AAAND he plays just as much defense as him

I don't ever see you up in arms about him.

And no, the team is not better off without him on the court given his tools.

 

Budinger is a vastly better defender than Kevin and is comfortable in a support role off the bench instead of whining about losing his starting job he went to work helping the team.

Kmart was b****ing about his minutes.....and honestly, he should have been benched before the season for CLee a better all around player.

DD

 

According to Basketball Reference he accounted for 9.5 of our wins last season. Marcus Camby is the only player on our team to have a higher WS for a season in 2000. He was playing pretty good earlier in the season where people on this forum even started saying he might deserve a reserve spot in the All-Star game once Kyle started to decline. To say he adds nothing to our team seems ignorant.

Now that we have a legit 7 foot center and a SF who can defend, Martin fits better on this team now than he did last year. His defensive liabilities wouldn't be as obvious. Even if McHale stuck with Lee in the starting lineup, how can you honestly believe having a 30 pt threat on the bench could be bad for the team? How many teams are going to have the depth to be able to compete with Martin when going into their second unit? Especially if he has a legit pg next to him in either Lowry or Dragic?

 

I would also like to make a run at a fa or two. The team is better w/o him and I firmly believe that Morey tried to trade him this past deadline and was unable to do so.

Sure I would try again to trade him in the offseason and my premise of amnesty is based purely on the speculation that he can not be traded without making the team worse in the process (e.g. bad contract low level first round pick - no thanks). If I'm wrong and he does have value, outfreakingstanding. Just don't think teams are lining up for a guy who only does well on bad teams that play no defense.

 

Exaggeration at best. Neither one of them is a particularly effective defender, so no need to claim one is "vastly" better than the other.

 

agreed. Budinger and Martin are redundant. Only one can survive in the lineup. One has a huge contract, the other doesn't. I choose the latter.

(and i'd get riddy of him at the first opportunity to upgrade)

 

Come on man. Average shooter? Jesus....

 

I see rooting for people to fail, which disgusts me as a Rockets fan and ALL of thier players.

If defense is a concern, he can always be sat for a better defender. Your playing the Lakers and you need Parsons on Artest and Lee on Kobe fine, that makes sense. But if your playing OKC and Thabo is running around out there, I see no reason for Lee to be in there over Martin, unless Martin is cold.

Its just a simple matter of allocation of your resources.

 

Yeah, look at his numbers....do you see a guy shooting in the high 40s, or over 50%?

DD

 

ever heard of team defense?

I'm not rooting for someone to fail. I see a flaw that has been exposed.

I loved the acquisition at the time. I no longer fits.

I would love to be wrong on this. I've been wrong many times in the past and will be again in the future. No sweat off my back.

But the thing is, this is not the team he was brought in to help. It is vastly different and to compound matters more, the rules in the nba have changed further limiting a guy who's primary skillset was drawing a cheap foul.

btw - i also hate lowry's incessant whining after ever play that he thinks he got fouled on. does that make me a bad fan too?

 

Kevin Martin in his career have shot 85-90% of his shot as jumpers and have hit over 50 eFG% of them. He is a great shooter.

 

EFG% because he draws a lot of fouls, yes, now look what has happened as they took away his little foul drawing move....

You have to know when to move on man.

DD

 

I'm flabbergasted that we agree with each other. Maybe I should re-evaluate my opinion.

 

eFG% does not account for free throws. Just adjusted for the extra point on 3 pointers. If you're going to argue, at least know the facts

 

He's a great player but is not fitting in Rockets this season .

Damn you haters. He's a scoring machine when hes good