Ind. Gov signs bill allowing deadly force against Cops.

Not a problem I ever had and will probably never have. How do so many People on this board have bad encounters with law enforcement.

 

It may not have helped a this marine in Arizona, who was shot 71 times in his home in front of his 2 children. He served 2 tours of duty in Iraq to protect their freedoms. He comes homes, only to get killed by civilian cops. They obliterated his body with 71 shots. They kept shooting like he was Freddie Krueger or Jason, until they made sure that he was not going to get back up.

He had a gun, but he never got a chance to fire it.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-swat-team-cleared-marines-killing/story?id=13842029

 

Yes because in the United States of America there is no such thing as violent criminals. So cops should politely knock on doors they absolutely know that a violent criminal is behind.

 

d*mn!

Rocket River

 

Doesn't make it worse or better but you do know that most cops are prior service members.

America is big. It as a lot of people. There are going to be sob stories like this. Doesn't mean you change laws allowing civilians to kill law enforcement.

 

Yeah.
Not all cops are d-bags. The chances for innocent people to die just skyrocketed. Not to mention someone could just coerce cops into their houses and then shoot them dead.

Just like the stand your ground crap where you can provoke somebody and just shoot them dead if they retaliate.

I'm all for people possessing guns if they want to, but the answer is not to introduce legislation that makes it okay for everyone to shoot each other. Guns are a LAST RESORT, shoot-first policy is just reckless...

 

This is a perfect example of why this law is idiotic. Point a gun at a cop and you're going to get killed.

 

Why would this be? Cops are going to hesitate entering a home because they're afraid someone will shoot? They're already afraid of that -- they deal with the lowest scum of our society on a daily basis. They don't avoid their job as a result, they still have to kick doors in; they're just a little quicker on a trigger to make sure it's not them that gets it. I don't see how this does anything but increase the danger to both cops and civilians.

With this law, can a cop even be successfully prosecuted for killing someone shooting at them for entering his house illegally? Much like the Zimmerman case, a cop entering illegally is probably best served by killing the witnesses and claiming self-defense.

The only silver-lining I see is that clear-minded people will see that shooting a cop is dangerous for reasons that have nothing to do with the courts.

 

Yeah I can't see this law leading to much good.

I am going to sound like a hippy for this but whatever happened to non-violent resistance?

I can tell you what I would do if the cops suddenly bust through my door. I would fall on the floor face down with my hands out. Once they have established I am not a threat I would ask to see their warrant. If it is wrong I would kindly ask them to leave and be sending the authorities a bill to replace my door.

Either way I will be calling my lawyer rather than exchanging fire with the cops.

 

Yeah SWAT wear ballistic vests that can stop most pistol rounds. You are gonna want to get a 5.56 or 7.62 NATO. M855 might actually be good for this application but I would think M193 would also be fine.

 

Until you find out they aren't cops.

 

I remember that story and would check every now and then to see if there were updates. I remember the cops being sure that this guy was a drug kingpin or something. It's been almost a year now and nothing has changed. The shooting was deemed justified, but no evidence came forth that this was a drug lord either. That's pretty crazy. At least in New Orleans, the feds came in and caught all the murdering cops.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/law-disorder/

But with this Marine...I don't get it. One side has to be vindicated imo. Maybe that's just too simplistic, but it should either be that this guy really was a drug lord or the cops f'd up. It can't be that the guy is innocent and it's still okay to pump him with 71 shots...that's like at least manslaughter....I just don't understand the law sometimes.

 

So I should shoot first and ask to see a warrant later?

 

Isn't that the whole point of the police/FBI shouting 'POLICE!' the moment they enter a room/house? Unless it's a sneak attack of course...

 

Also this doesn't seem to make sense. Police are allowed to fire if they think you are about to fire on them (like pointing a gun at them) but you are allowed to fire if you think they aren't police (if you don't hear them shout 'police' and stuff). So WTF? Both sides get killed?

 

What's your point?

Are you trying to prove you are r****ded enough to use an isolated incident like this to prove the stupid law is legit?

 

It is sad we have brainless politicians like this fool to legislate us.

 

What's next? Remove the police force as a whole and make it a requirement for everyone to own a gun in order to protect ourselves?

 

No knock warrants are BS and if you didn't do anything wrong you have to protect yourself.

 

So just to be clear you are saying shoot first and ask to see a warrant later?