PER

That's very useful, thank you.

You sure about that?

 

Even in that article, he writes this:

[rquoter]
Back to PER for a moment. You can argue about whether James is having the greatest individual season ever -- to seal the deal, presumably it would have to be capped by a title, for starters, and there are a variety of subjective criteria one can add to the discussion that goes far beyond the limits of PER.[/rquoter]

So, he grants that there are other criteria that can be added to the discussion beyond what PER tells you.

Does he attach perhaps too much importance to PER? Yeah, maybe. But in his defense, when I read his articles that breakdown what happened in a game or evaluate players I find him to be exceptionally knowledgeable about the game. He isn't just a stat nerd reading numbers off a spreadsheet, like so many try to portray him as.

 

yea, according to PER, Greg mornoe has been more effective than Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Rubio is as effective as Suniatata Gaines. and Jordan Farmar trumps him. Anyone who watches the games knows none of the above is true.

 

And anyone that knows what PER is knows that's not what the stat means.

 

*insert facepalm picture here* for not understanding how PER is used.

 

Mj is goat. Mj has highest per therefore per works.

 

Everyone that relies solely on statistics to judge a player is a moron.

 

Thats how the author himself uses it, in comparing players he just compares PER to determine effectiveness and worth. All of espn and many on this board do the same. It leaves out so much

 

PER doesn't take into account FG% and defense. It basically just asks asks this question: how productive are you on the court?

Guys who handle the ball a lot and get a lot of turnovers like Rubio won'r have a high PER, and players who excel more on D like DH won't get a PER as high. OTH, players like Greg Monroe are extremelyversatile, and do a lot of stuff like passing, scoring and rebounding. Guys like him (and Lowry) who do a lot of the boxscore stats will get a high PER.

 

I just want to point out to people who were arguing PER is worthless because of Dalembert's ranking relative to Bynum and Noah through 12 games:

As of 4/5/12, their PER is:

Bynum: 23.4 (career 19.8)
Noah: 19.3 (career 17.6)
Dalembert: 17.0 (career 15.3)

 

PER is one nice piece of the puzzle, but no stat by itself tells you all you need to know. It's very slanted toward tangible production, and so selfish stat players are overvalued in PER and blue collar glue guys are undervalued in it.

But the intangibles-all stars are almost impossible to quantify no matter what you do.

PER, +/-, PPS, FTApg, and A/T (position dpdt) are all things I look at.

The worst thing to do is just go off of PPG and FG%

 

Where do you think PER gets its baseline data?

DD

 

If you're implying that PER is derived from PPG and FG%, you're dumber than I thought.

 

The way I use PER is: If a player has well-known good defense, hustle, clutchness, taking charges... those non-stat attributes, then I percieve his value to be higher than PER suggested. And vice versa.

For example, Martin has pretty good PER but his value is below that and maybe above average starter overall. Lowry has very nice PER, but his value is above that and should be somewhere near an allstar level player overall. That's why he's a coveted asset league wide along with young age/cheap long contract/ever improving&consistent progress.

 

Of course PER can be misleading, every single statistic in the world is misleading if not put in context and used in conjunction with other stats.

For example, PPG is misleading if you take the PPG of a player on a very good winning team and a player from a losing team. Obviously, one player's scoring is actually helping the team and the other could be hurting it.

I mean how many chuckers have we seen in the history of the NBA who are always in the 20ppg category?

Whenever there is an anomaly, it's the exception, not the rule. Using the exception to argue against the validity of the rule is pointless.

 

It uses a good amount of data from the boxscore.....and your post is funny because most people here didn't know you COULD think.

DD

 

any stat that has lebron, wade, paul, durant, love, rose, howard and westbrook as its top 8 players is obviously flawed. hollinger should be fired and banished from sports for coming up with that kind of useless nonsense.

 

But box score is not the same thing as PPG and FG%. PER doesn't just plug in FG% and PPG, it's a weighed summary box score presented in per minute form. It's okay dude, not everyone understands simple math.