Why do you keep making stuff up? I NEVER said Hispanics have the same privileges as white americans. I specifically said White hispanics have the same privileges as white Americans in Florida. And in some cases even more so because they can be bi-lingual, which translates to money. When did being White only meant Being American White? You keeping making inaccurate statements by lumping all Hispanics together. For the thousandth time. Hispanics are white, black, asian. Florida's racial dynamics are not the same as Arizona's or California's. No one is guarding borders. South American immigration is welcomed. A black Hispanic absolutely does not get the same privileges as a white hispanic. You have to break the hispanic culture down by race as much as the american culture. All hispanics aren't the same. If martin spoke spanish that doesn't make him any less black. What is a Traditional white power Structure? White power structure isn't America only. Whites settled in many different Countries and came from different countries and spoke different languages when they expanded to the new worlds. There were whites before America existed. Just because you're Hispanic doesn't mean you can't be white. There are literally millions of Whites in the hispanic culture. Many hispanics have strictly European Backgrounds. If you're going to say that Jesse is racist, then the Martin family would have to be implicated by receiving support from Jesse, and getting help from Jesse's camp. Plus the same muslims that associate with farrakhan have been actively supporting the martin family with no objections. And there's No difference in Al or Jesse. First You say Al is self serving and aligning themselves with him erodes credibility but now you like him. The Martin family, Jesse, Al, Black Muslims are not much different. Zimmerman is white. His race is white. His ethnicity is Latino. These are facts. You can't just make stuff up, for your own benefit. If zimmerman were to be locked up, it would read Race: White. Fact.
And that is different from you constantly stating as fact things that would make this situation Martins fault? Coming outright and saying "If Martin hadn't done _____, none of this would have happened". You're moving from pompous all the way up to hypocrite in such a short amount of time. I'm impressed.
We don't know the whole story yet. Innocent until proven guilty. Wait until we hear all the facts before we pass judgement on the guy. If you are walking in a gated community and you don't live there, it's very possible that someone will be checking you out and possibly approach you. I have had that happen to me before. We need to wait and see what possible scenario the evidence points too. Now that the video has been enhanced it does show that there was some sort of struggle that lead to Zimmerman being injured (which was a part of his story when the Cops arrived) and Martin being shot and killed. Once all the facts are out, if enough evidence contradicts Zimmerman's story, he will be arrested. Trayvon didn't deserve to die for walking around that gated community. He didn't deserve to die if he got angry for being stopped and questioned (if that happened). He didn't deserve to die if he punched Zimmerman in the nose. However, if they are able to prove that he made terroristic threats, then attacked and beat Zimmerman's head in to the ground and or tried to grab Zimmerman's gun, he put himself in a position to get shot. The young man had an option to call the Police on Zimmerman if he felt he was being harrassed by him. If Zimmerman is proven to be a racist Barney Fife wannabe who went hunting to kill black people, he deserves the death penalty. Neither that scenario or the one I referenced with Martin above has yet to be proven.
Why do you republicans try to make these backhanded insults. What do you consider a model citizen? Does he need to have a 4.0 gpa be be the star football player. As far as we know he has never been arrested by the cops which is more than george zimmerman can say.
Nope..... You posted racist articles predicated on Zimmerman being white. There is one huge problem you cannot get over, no matter how many different ways you squirm. Zimmerman is not "traditionally white", he is not anglo saxon. It is irrelevant that he is "white" hispanic. You can try to cloud the issue, but it is simple...... he is NOT anglo saxon, if you look at him, he looks hispanic. Indeed his father said that his son views himself as hispanic. Second, I do like Al Sharpton, he is a funny guy and very likeable, but that does not mean he isn't self serving and does not have an agenda. Concerning whether Farrakhan is racist........ I will let you decide for yourself.... "White people are potential humans - they haven't evolved yet." Philadelphia Inquirer, March 2000 "They [the Jews] are the greatest controllers of black minds, black intelligence. They write the scripts - the foolish scripts on television that our people portray. They are the movie moguls that feature us in these silly, degrading, degenerate roles. "It seems like being gay or whatever sin you wish to be a part of is okay ... but I have the duty to lift that gay person up to the standard to ask if they want to live the life that God wants them to or live the lifestyle that they want to live." Boston speech, August 1997 “The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man.” “Murder and lying comes easy for white people.” “These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It’s the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality, [and] Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government [on the war in Iraq]“ –February 2006 NOI event I guess you are saying the Martin family is racist, that is your logic correct? Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps they are doing ANYTHING to bring attention to the fact that their 17 year old son was shot dead when he went to get a bag of skittles?...... I know I would do anything I could. /discussion
No agenda at all..... On Sunday, Cenk Uygur was interviewed by CNN’s Howard Kurtz about Uygur’s departure from MSNBC, and Ugyur claimed that Al Sharpton — widely reported to be his replacement — vowed in a 60 Minutes interview never to criticize President Obama under any circumstances. When I first heard Ugyur make this claim, I assumed it was hyperbole — until I watched the video and read the transcript of the Sharpton interview. The 60 Minutes segment was aired on May 19, 2011, and chronicles what it calls Sharpton’s “metamorphosis: today he’s down right tame. So much so, that he has made his way into the establishment.” It includes this: Sharpton told us that having a black president is a challenge: if he finds fault with Mr. Obama, he’d be aiding those who want to destroy him. So he has decided not to criticize the president about anything — even about black unemployment, which is twice the national rate. http://www.salon.com/2011/07/27/sharpton_10/ Democrats in a nutshell.
hey let's talk about Democrats, Obama, Sharpton, and black unemployment in a thread about a teenager that was killed walking down the street in the rain with his hooded sweatshirt on.
Actually it was in the afternoon at my friends condo on a weekday. My friend was out of town and at the time I had a sales job so I was out and about a lot. I was able to stop by and feed the guys dog for him. The neighborhood watch guy said they had some break-in's during the day recently and was just making sure I belonged there.
Don't be dense. I was only saying you were bad at writing. And that when you write you use a lot of unnecessary words and it makes your writing confusing to read and it makes me forget what you're trying to say because all I can think is, "man, that guy is bad at writing." I was quoting the notion of 'getting over oneself,' not disappearing. What a strange misinterpretation and an even stranger conclusion; when I am not thinking "bad writer" I am thinking "how weird, what a weird mind." Like ROXRAN. I like you both. If I could let go the trappings of the self, to get over them I mean, I expect my self would stop being such a little b**** of a problem for the rest of me and we could learn to better and more peacefully co-exist. This is all I suggested for you. It was a happy wish. Because you, like me, get way too upset when we feel attacked and it is too easy for us to feel so. We would both do better to brush if off the shoulder, Jay-Z/Obama style. Of course I knew you would not take it that way, hence my fun-having. Also, I thought this thread was due for a good derail. The new facts are buried among the "is Zimmerman racist or not" when the only serious question to be asked is "why hasn't he been arrested and charged yet" in order that he might have his day in court. The arguments here have become silly and semantic ones. Thanks for that last part, giddy. You are the king of parsing "what the meaning of 'is' is." Way more stubborn on the point than Bill Clinton was. When they made fun of him for it he dropped it with blinding speed. You're not like that. You dig in hard. A little joke by way of example: Q: When is a wetback not a wetback? A: When giddyup is holding court on clutchfans. Q: How long does this last? A: Forever.
Al Shaprton is a typical dumbass Democrat who wont criticize the President due to the color of his skin etc. He is a collectivist racist who capitalizes on the misfortunes of others while revving people up for violence. <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CXPl94cM3Vg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
wow WTF is wrong with you?? What is up with people on this board reading into stuff that isnt there? Also wtf is wrong with everyone trying to label this as a Democrat vs Republican thing? It's *****en annoying and people like you are the cause for it. Also I am not a Republican. Unlike you I try to be more open minded now. I have voted for independents, democrats and liberatrians. Now back on topic. If you read my earlier post in this thread it's clear where I stand on this issue. Zimmerman is completely at fault for causing the death of another human being. I don't know all the evidence and exactly what happened (no one does) but in my opinion some serious charges need to be brought against Zimmerman. He is the sole reason why someone is dead that didnt deserve to die. I am not even sure why a NEIGHBORHOOD WATCHMAN has A LOADED GUN on him in the first place. You would think if its for self defense a taser gun would be sufficent. Zimmerman escalated the situation, incited the fight and then shot someone. That's all I need to know. Now back to your stupid comment on something I said. I did not intend for any backhand insults. Only simply stating the facts and it's obvious that Trayvon was not the best of kids. I believe he did take part in further escalating the situation with Zimmerman and made it physical. Now in NO WAY do I mean this as a backhanded insult. Does he deserve to die or get shot? HELL NO which is why Zimmerman must now face the consequences.
Why does Zimmerman (a neighborhood watchman) have a LOADED GUN in the first place? He put himself and others in danger and is solely responsible for the death of another person. Yes Trayvon could have done all those things Zimmerman said but the simple fact is he didnt deserve to die and Zimmernan's actions caused his death.
I know who and what Sharpton is and what he does. there's nothing "typical" about him. I have completely ignored his presence as a factor in the Trayvon Martin story, as well as Spike Lee or anyone else with an agenda. I cannot, unfortunately, ignore the apologists who scream "liberal Democrats!"
I'm not a gun toting guy myself but I suppose Zimmerman chose to legally carry a gun to protect himself from danger. I don't know that neighborhood or if his experience as a Neighborhood Watchman would cause him to feel the need to carry a gun. It's not simple or a fact (yet) that Zimmerman's actions cause Martin's death. The one action of Zimmerman pulling the trigger, which caused Martin's death, is a fact. It's the duty of the investigating agency to determine if the circumstances warranted Zimmerman under the law to take that action. It's not up to a Lynch Mob to decide. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun, we might be here talking about a 17 year old kid who killed a Neithborhood Watchman by beating his head on a sidewalk. THat would be tragic too. This whole things sucks and people need to let it play out. My own son was a crime victim a few years ago. I knew the guy who did it and I hated him for what he did to my son. I would have liked to have choked the guy to death. He got out on bail right away and was walking around free until the trial came. He knew where we lived and what my schedule was so he could have come at my son or family again. I don't blame the family for how they feel. It was all I could do to keep from driving over to the guy's house and shooting him but all I was left with was the judicial system. I put my faith in the system and the guy went to prison (not for as long as I would have liked) but he went to prison nonetheless. As the victim or parent of the victim, you don't have a say in what happens with the other person whether he gets arrested or how long he gets sentenced. The other party (scumbag or not) has rights too and there's a chance that the other party could be telling the truth whether you like the truth or not. On the day of the sentencing, I can't say I felt like either side won, it was a loss for everyone involved because nothing good came out of it. Lives lost (by death or to prison) and ruined.
