http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini From 1921 to 1937[3] al-Husseini was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, using the position to promote Islam and rally Palestinian nationalism against Zionism. During World War II he actively collaborated with both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, meeting Adolf Hitler personally and asking him to back Arab independence. He requested, as part of the Pan-Arab struggle, Hitler's support to oppose the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home. He was promised the leadership of the Arabs after German troops had driven out the British.[4] He helped recruit Muslims for the Waffen-SS.
I think, as others have mentioned in this thread, that finger-pointing is nowhere to go. But I always wondered why they didn't have a homeland carved for gays for example? Persecuted in the Holocaust, forever denied a homeland, abused everywhere they are... They could stick it in Uganda. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/euXQbZDwV0w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Well, I guess if you're going to make a religious scripture, you better make it a powerful one. It's an interesting look at the dynamics where you can see all sides being to blame, if you add a powerful third agent as an intervening force.
AroundTheWorld I would like to thank you for sticking up for Israel. So many people believe the propaganda. It is truly refreshing to see someone such a ardent defender of the truth. If these people would look at this objectively they would see the truth too. I don't agree, but I understand why Muslims hate Israel. Their holy book tells them to do so. I really baffles me why the left hates them so much. I guess they believe the lies and propaganda.
ex: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1906664,00.html I think the "left" doesn't stand for human rights abuses, no matter where they are committed.
So you believe what a 13 year old boy says above two grown soldiers. This could very easily be propaganda. The boy certainly seems okay in the picture. Check out the link below which is not propaganda, it really happened. Jewish family massacre http://massacre photos The Palestinians celebrated and handed out candy after the horrific event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust I don't get it, do you only see one specific side of things?
Why are you finger-pointing? I specifically said all sides were to blame. I don't condone ANY of this behavior. But you wanted to know why the "left hates Israel". Well, that's a reason why.
Do you assign any blame to the Israeli side? Have you tried to understand the Palestinian side (sorry Mathloom I am going to use that term as that is the widely accepted term for the Arab people in that region) in any other way than listening to extremist rhetoric from them?
You sure about that? There are phrases within context of war, but then again you can find the same in the bible telling to Kill all non believers, even if it is your mother or brother, etc. Maybe you are just listening to Lies and propoganda. Many of the arabs have no issue with jews, but itseems more so with zionism and Israel since it directly affects them. With this animosity and conflict it seems as it became a jewish/muslim issue when that isn't the basis of it. from the Koran: Even in a time of war against someone who doesn't share your faith: 9:6 And if any of the Idolatries (who are fighting you) seeks thy protection, grant him protection, so that he might [be able to] hear the word of God [from thee]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure Perhaps its nott so much religious, but conveniently religious when it supports their casue but they just do what they want, similar with christians, jews, or better yet not religios just people who have an agenda, no? So its there, you can find feul in any of the books for both peace and hatred...so the religions themselves go both ways and don't steer one way or another, but its just hte people in their conflict etc who decide how to go about it. Keep in mind all the prophets, etc that are worshipped in the quran are Jewish. Quran 2:47 "Children of Israel! Call to mind the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations" 2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Never said there is anything wrong with saying Palestinian (unless in error), obviously as there is a population who call themselves that, even if it is not a nationality.
You are right This is another thing, almost evryhing translated over gets added on with context which can also mess up the meanings at times, hence what I was telling ATW about how arabic being translated can easily be manipulated and delicately changed to what he hears
Yes. I think their settlement policies are wrong. They are counter-productive with regard to getting to a lasting peace. I have said that here repeatedly. Yes. It's a messed up situation. I am not saying Israel is 100 % right and Palestinians are 100 % wrong, not at all. I am merely providing a different viewpoint as the large majority of the posters on here seem to be all too happy to bash Israel, which is not that surprising considering that the majority of posters in the D&D is either from the left or Muslim, or both.
Arguing in favor of israel is a difficult task, given all of the human rights violations, illegal land grabs, and deliberate attempts to limit future economic productivity in the west bank and gaza. Bottom line: the facts are so strong against israel, it IS ridiculous to try to defend them. This topic is not rocket science, but if you are arguing for israel it is.
Ive done a lot of research on this topic, the main conclusion ive come to in settling this dispute is not what you or i think but what the public is willing to accept. Although in this case, israel is clearly in the drivers seat of negotiations but they are not reasonable. Trust me, the overwhelming majority palestinians are ready to deal. They are tired of the conflict, they are willing to compromise far more than what the israelis are willing to give up. The israelis right now are trying to take land that was considered undesirable at the time of 67. I mean wtf, when will the be satisfied with what they have?
Of course there are people who collaborated with the Nazis, but there are other Arabs that helped the Jews. The general population in middle east at the time did not hate the Jews. What changed after 1948?
Do you have a source for that? I believe you might have fallen victim to believing a myth. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFtreatment.html
