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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

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    That witness saw more of the event than any other witness.
     
  2. gwayneco

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    Source

     
  3. gwayneco

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    Sorry, double post.
     
  4. giddyup

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    Get real. You don't wait until your injuries are sufficiently serious. You do what you have to do to stop it from getting to that point. I'm sure at that moment of struggling Zimmerman was "planning his defense." :rolleyes:
     
  5. giddyup

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    You're messing up the story, you know....

    Regarding the police video, I'm sure that was shot within an hour of his detention. Swelling takes time. Wounds were cleaned. Video is grainy... and dark.
     
  6. crash5179

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    I would not think the stand your ground law gives you the right to create a situation where you are forced to kill someone in order to defend yourself. And I can't imagine that it releaves you of the responsibilities associated with carrying a gun.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    I guess his face got messed up after the mug shot and police station videos were taken. Hmmm.
     
  8. giddyup

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    The mug shot we first saw was from 2005, I believe.
     
  9. ling ling

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    You mean the previous mug shot of him before the shooting ever occurred?
     
  10. wekko368

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    Sorry, but you're wrong again.

    The rules change when you bring deadly force into the equation.
     
  11. Air Langhi

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    So there were band-aids and swelling, but a few hours later all that was gone? Usually swelling gets worse after time. If he had all this swelling why didn't they take him to the hospital?

    Lets just assume all this is true. If zimmerman was chasing martin which could be construed as a threat then why doesn't martin have a right to the stand your ground law.
     
  12. wekko368

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    A very plausible explanation is that after GZ went home, he intentionally punched himself a few times to make the injuries look more severe.

    Maybe your bias is clouding your vision. Other people have already commented on the clear shots and different angles of the video.
     
  13. giddyup

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    So is this fantasy of yours what you are basing your decision on?

    Personally I like to think that GZ was supernaturally healed on the ride home in the back of the police cruiser, but I can't be sure!
     
  14. wekko368

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    I'm simply stating a plausible scenario that would explain why he looked fine at the police station but was apparently swollen the next day.

    Use some common sense. If punching yourself in the face a few times would keep you out of jail for a few years, wouldn't you do it?

    Not surprising. Most of your explanations tend to be ridiculous and outlandish.
     
  15. giddyup

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    At least my plausibles have been seconded by a police investigation. Yours must come out of pulp crime novels....
     
  16. Anas acuta

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    Trayvon Martin : I am very sorry that your life was extinguished so early. I cannot imagine the pain your parents must feel. I (and either does anyone but your parents) don’t know a thing about you. I don’t know if you were good, bad, honest, a thug……nothing. But it appears to me, that you didn’t deserve to die. That said….and I’m not implying that you did any of this, again, I don’t know….it makes me want to grab these young boys I see walking down the street; pants 1/2 way down thier rear, hooded sweatshirt hiding thier features, conducting yourselves in a thug-like manner, emulating the gang-bangers so glorified by pop culture……..STOP IT! Odds are, you are not truly “thugs”. Most likely, you are young guys just trying to fit in. Trayvon Martin didn’t deserve to die because he wore a “hoodie” (I hate that name by the way). But lets be clear, his appearance and demeanor contributed to the consequence. Is that fair? Nope. Is it reality? You betcha. Geraldo Rivera (whom I think is generally a knucklehead) made a great point in noting that the “hoodie” has become a thug symbol. He was pretty much shouted down….too bad. Inner city folks have for years adjusted their wardrobe based on staying safe. Don’t wear blue on the Crip block, no red bandanas around the Bloods…..or whatever the hell the protocol is. So why is it so odd to tell a child “Put the damned hood down, it isn’t cold, you aren’t outdoors!” …? Why not make your children dress decent, and properly? Nonsense.

    George Zimmerman – You, Mr. Zimmerman, are an idiot. You broke the #1 rule of concealed carry: Mind your own damned business! I carry every day. I do not carry so that I can play cop. I do not carry so I can accost a suspicious person on my block. I carry for the singular and selfish reason of saving my own or my loved ones lives if there is no other option. Period. You were soooo close to doing things right. You volunteered to be a neighborhood watch participant. You saw something that caught your eye, you called the police….you should have stopped there! You knew you were carrying a firearm….yet you didn’t consider where your actions might escalate to. The kid wasn’t doing anything that required immediate confrontation. You could have waited in your car for the police to arrive. Had you done that, nothing would have happened!Responsible folks that carry a firearm for self defense know this. You obviously, did not. The rest of the questions….did you need to shoot because Trayvon was beating you, etc….they don’t matter, because you should have never allowed the situation to get that far into the danger zone. Ego? Stupidity? Both? Probably.

    Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, Mikhail Muhammad, etc. : You folks are the scum of the earth, and just as racist as any sheet wearing member of the KKK. You are participating in hatred, based on race, to further your own sad agenda(s). You are almost gleeful in your leaching of this incident. A boy died. Parents are sad. And you have the slimy notion to use that tragedy to a) make money b) recruit new members c) grab some limelight. And Mikhail Muhammad…..you may be the worst of them all. I saw you little speech on CNN, I heard you proclaim to be “military”, while your goons stood by mean-mugging for the camera. You have placed a bounty on the head of a man not convicted of a crime. Imagine if the head of some white supremacy group put a bounty on your head, and went on national TV to shout it out loud? You are a thug, a criminal, and you are fueled by the hypocrisy of political correctness. And news flash….the original Black Panther Party thinks you're an ass.

    So there it is. Anyone in the media dwelling on one aspect of this tragedy is doing a disservice. It isn’t one thing. It’s a combination of poor choices and bad decisions, inflated by conscienceless scum who see it as an opportunity. A very sad, perfect storm. I hope it blows itself out to sea soon.
     
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  17. rocketsjudoka

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    From what I know this is correct. If you are trained in martial arts or some other potentially deadly training the standard for self-defense rises. My understanding is that that would be considered in regard to how that would be considered under the reasonable person standard.
     
  18. sammy

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    Great post, Anas Acuta.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't know. The one witness who saw the whole confrontation and the shooting and said that Zimmerman was on top of Martin seems to have seen just as much.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Turn the brightness up on your computer monitor. The video isn't nearly as poor as you're trying to make it. I've watched it several times and seen it on TV as well. It's pretty clear and fairly easy to see the condition of Zimmerman's head and face.
     

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