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Kobe is holding back the Lakers.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by rolyat93, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. dsid411

    dsid411 Member

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    Kobe's been holding the Lakers back since he ran Shaq out of town, what an idiot, they could have won another 2 or 3 right then. He could have already passed MJ like he wants to so bad, even though we all know he'll never be close to MJ...or Magic...or Bird...or Kareem....etc. top 10 player though, maybe.
     
  2. Sleepy Flloyd

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    3 for 21 shooting.

    14%.

    Wats funny is this aint da first time this year, hes had even worse.

    But all kobe nuthuggers gon say is "he hit a gamewinner, clutch!!!!"


    if he had shot just 4 for 21 he would t have had to hit a game winner.:rolleyes:
     
  3. gmoney411

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    No he hasn't.
     
  4. Shroopy2

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    The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.


    LeStrawMan lulz

    Or red herring or whatever you want to call it
     
  5. Steve_Francis_rules

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    You're right. But he did have a 3-20 game just a couple weeks ago. They lost that game by 4, while Bynum shot 12-14.
     
  6. Rockets Jones

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    Kobe's true colour are really showing lately, ignoring team mates, talking a big game, thinking he knows better than the coach etc. I know it's hard to not have an ego, especially when you're that good at something but I will never like a person who puts himself above the team, who thinks he's the best, is not down to earth and especially who doesn't take the blame for losses. When the Lakers lost to the Rockets, it was 90% because of him taking the ball out of Sessions' hands. He didn't take the blame, neither for any other games where he shot poorly and ignored team mates.

    I actually cannot think of many great players besides Olajuwon & Yao who stayed some what humble. That's why I am so happy they played for the Rockets, we are blessed with great personalities. Thorpe, also one of the most humble players. Was Moses Malone considered humble, I can see him being a team first kind of guy? Besides Yao & Dream, I can think of David Robinson, Kevin Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan & Durant maybe.
     
  7. bullardfan

    bullardfan なんでやねん

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    Dream still wanted to take the most shots and have the ball go through him even after he was pretty much done and it was hurting the team. great players are just like that.
     
  8. Rockets Jones

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    True, but for the rest he was humble, he never claimed to be great and the way he received his MVP and everything is unique. That's why I said somewhat humble, nobody can truly be humble in this case with the media exposure.
     
  9. bullardfan

    bullardfan なんでやねん

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    Yeah, i didnt mean it as a knock on Dream but just pointing out that great players are stubborn and will take the same shots every game whether the shots are falling or not. Kobe will never defer to pau or bynum just like mj never deferred to pip. that's the kind of ego that makes (dream, jordan) and breaks (iverson, marbury) great players.

    I dont blame kobe because he's done more than enough for that franchise and has earned the right to be a chucker. and quite frankly i dont care if the lakers never win another championship.
     
  10. Sleepy Flloyd

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    oh snap! Worst shooting performance ever??:eek:
     
  11. Angkor Wat

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    The fact is, the Lakers shouldn't have to struggle to beat the Hornets.
     
  12. Sleepy Flloyd

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    Hornets with no Cp3, kaman, okafor, Ariza, landry or gordon.

    In the staples center.

    Full power, against 8 hornets.
     
  13. HiGHurNAMEis

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    ..+1
    Precisely.
     
  14. rolyat93

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    Yeah, I think a loss to them would've really stung.


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  15. HiGHurNAMEis

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    You keep shooting. If you watched the game instead of soley basing your argument off of pure numbers you would know 17 of those shots were good to great looks. They were either long or short. Kobe may have over compensated for the bad start because, yes intuitively he knows he is 0 fer, & that is where those four not so great looks came from. So Bynum could of had an extra shot or two. He isn't missing out on a lot of shots he could use more but he is getting at least 10 shot per game with two other stars that isn't so bad for your third option.

    Back to Kobe though, he knows when it comes playoff time from last years experience if nothing else (& the whoopin they got against OKC the other night) that he is going to have to slow the game down. The way you do that is get it to your bigs let them operate, send three back on d and allow you sf to crash the boards. Lastly, despite a less than desirable shooting performance percentage wise Kobe still had the confidence to take that last shot not only to tie the game but take the lead. That is something you want, you don't want a bad shooting night percentage wise to dictate your confidence in shot selection or attempts.
     
  16. cheke64

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    I just hate how the media drains that bull**** about Kobe down your throat. One time Bynum hit the game winner and they somehow gave the attention to Kobe, something about how Kobe was used as a Decoy.
    Some fans a leukocytes and engulf all sorts of crap.
    I have semi permeable membrane.
     
  17. rolyat93

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  18. Sleepy Flloyd

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    ZING!
     
  19. gmoney411

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    It's not really as simple as that. Kobe does take too many shots but throwing it down to Bynum every time doesn't work like a lot of people think it will. He's not that great of a passer so it's hard to run your offense through him. He is also terrible at making decisions when he gets doubled and if he doesn't get the ball where he likes it he will pass it back out. Some of those Kobe shots are a result of Bynum and/or Pau not being assertive enough and forcing Kobe into taking a bad shot because he knows the big men won't take the shot. Don't get me wrong though a lot of Kobe's shot attempts are a result of him being selfish and jacking too.
     
  20. goodbug

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    Tonight it shows when the ball goes to Kobe early, he's much more efficient as he has time to dribble around, to pass, rather than have to just shoot a bailout in deep clock. He also gets much more space in post position.

    That's why until Bynum knows how to play double team and make quick decision, he's not gonna be the first option. And no, he doesn't make Kobe's game easier. Phil always ended the game with Gasol and Odom for the same reason.
     

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