What? He mentioned to his GF that he was concerned. Many people (myself included) won't immediately rush off and call 911 unless I'm more certain that the situation warrants it. I can be concerned and alarmed, but unlike Zimmerman or you apparently, I won't call 911 at the first hint of trouble. We don't know how the fight started for sure. Please don't make silly assumptions like MArtin wasn't concerned for his safety.
Safety. When being followed you don't lead the person to your house. It's one of the basic safety rules.
That is an error on the dispatcher -- he should have said 'do not follow the suspect'. 'We don't need you to do that' is not an explicit order - it's more of a statement that sounds like a question.
This is such a hysterical bunch. A 17-YO when in their "family" neighborhood SHOULD GO HOME IF THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY. You "heroes" say that is a mistake. It's not cowardly; it's smart. Basic rule of safety. If you think that Trayvon did the right thing by trying to cowboy up then you are just wrong. LOOK WHAT IT GOT HIM regardless of to-what-degree Zimmerman was a loose cannon. Zimmerman did not disobey any orders. He ignored a suggestion put to him a by a dispatcher. He seems to have intended to keep eyes on the suspicious person. That's what neighborhood watch people do. Pulling out a housekey and going to his dad's fiancee's front door would also have defused this situation.... even ringing the doorbell. Instead Martin seems to have sneaked up on him (the guy he was afraid of?) and put him on the ground (is that not assault?). I'm sorry that the whole event happened by infusing this whole tragedy with your personal race issues is destructive.
Not really assuming anything. We are all left with the option to interpret his behaviors. I don't see where he did one smart, correct thing that would help the situation.
Your whole summary of the situation is completely subjective and slanted to yield the outcome you desire. There was no order put upon Zimmerman by any authority to do or not to do anything. You diagnosis of a hero complex is right out of the Barney Fife school of policework. The facts of this case are not entirely known, so there could still be surprise outcomes. Sympathizing with the victim doesn't necessarily get you to the truth more quickly.
Man oh man, you are dense. No one said Martin did the right thing by fighting Zimmerman, we said he did it out of fear and to counteract the idiotic statement you made that Martin "wasn't concerned about his safety" EEEEEEEEhhhhhhhhhh, wrong. neighborhood WATCH people do not get out of their car to follow someone around then CONFRONT them. Does he know Zimmerman lives in the neighborhood? Does he know Zimmerman is the watch captain. Even if Zimmerman says "hey I live here, what are you doing in this neighborhood", does that make it true? All Martin knows is that this guy has been following him around in his car and is now approaching on foot. What kind of moron would take this person to his fathers home? Since your powers of retrospect are simply amazing, I need you to show me where anyone recently pointed out race during the recent discussion/ attempt to knock some sense into you?
Because we disagree. Because I suggest a more cautious solution-- one that involves using the public officers whose job it is to ensure safety? If as has been reported, Martin came up behind Zimmerman, then Martin was out of danger because he must have eluded Zimmerman sufficiently for Zimmerman to choose to return to his truck. Why re-enter the scene? Is that what a scared person does? By all accounts that I've read Martin confronted Zimmerman not the other way around... that you would imagine. This whole thing has been laced with racial suggestions. Just a few posts ago (post 2615) someone wrote that "his bout of extreme anger was triggered by Martin being black." Safety in numbers surely not out in the dark. Safety at home no in the street.
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Fair enough.... although I'm pretty sure that Martin didn't attack Zimmerman after taking a gunshot to the chest at close range.
There were also accounts as I've said and linked to that said Zimmerman approached Martin, and cell phone records to back up facts that make it unlikely Martin ambushed Zimmerman from behind. You were told about those before, but seem to just dismiss them for some reason.
I see where Zimmerman did several wrong things that escalated or caused the situation. I have seen very reports that may have suggested Martin did something wrong, but nothing at all conclusive. Because I've seen other evidence that Martin did nothing wrong. By all accounts there was plenty that Zimmerman did wrong.
Stop assuming Martin assaulted Zimmerman. There is evidence verifiable by phone records that makes it unlikely Martin assaulted Zimmerman. At the very least it is far an established fact that Martin did assault him.
Ironic. Aren't you the guy who accused a lady of trying to steal your camera after she reported it to the lost and found? Nope, your solution is actually far more dangerous. If you think someone is following you in a suspicious manner, why would you want to show him where you live? If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Trayvon staying at his father's fiancee's house which was very close to where he was killed? Isn't it very possible that he was just trying to get back home after he thought he was out of danger? What about the account of Martin's gf?
That's not what neighborhood watch people do. Neighborhood watch people don't carry firearms. They call 911 and then follow their lead.
Why do you think that I or anyone just has to accept your instruction without question. Zimmerman says he came up behind him. The single eyewitness account has Martin on top of Zimmerman beating him. The medics attended to wounds on Zimmerman... do you see where this is going. Because we don't have better evidence you just want me to believe your version which has ZERO EVIDENCE? What accounts are these to which you refer: keyboard warriors? Was Martin's cellphone call terminated or did his girlfriend hear a gunshot?
That was me but your facts are wrong. We reported it then she reported it 10 days after she found out it didn't belong to the person to whom she thought it belonged. She never denied posessing the camera. Then she did not return calls from the Scouts for three weeks. When we threatened legal action through the Scouts, she acted all huffy and returned the $1000 camera. BUSTED Not sure where you see the irony. I used the system that was set up to protect me and my property. IT WORKED. Because there are resources there. You likely are not alone. Couldn't he have just slipped inside rather than do what he did? According to this report, she called Trayvon just five minutes before he was shot: "Phone records have shown that DeeDee called Trayvon at 7:12 p.m., five minutes before police arrived, and remained on the phone with Martin until moments before he was shot." It says that the call was "dropped." http://globalgrind.com/news/trayvon-martins-girlfriend-speaks-out-details
Zimmerman will say whatever is in his best interest. The single eyewitness (Austin McLendon) told the Huffington Post that the police twisted his comments and that he believed that Martin was the one who was in trouble....not Zimmerman. Did you see the video at the police station? No discernible wounds on Zimmerman. I with the Rockets had those medics. Not only that, Zimmerman's clothes looked pretty clean. Don't you think that's unusual for a street fight on the ground? Also, the funeral director said that Martin's body had no bruises or anything indicative of a fight. Do you see where this is going? The cell phone call was terminated after Martin's headset was knocked off.
