This generation's Roe v. Wade, Brown vs. Board---Supreme Court moves on Obamacare.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/27/you-can-make-people-buy-broccoli-scalia-goes-after-health-care-law/

 

I will just never ever understand this insipid slippery slope garbage.

As I posted in the other thread there is already a much more dangerous precedent that was set 30 years ago.

There's your slippery slope governmental intrusion into private business black helipcopter power grab folks. Signed into law by this paradigm of conservatism.



We forced hospitals to treat patients who didn't pay them and now healthcare costs are going through the roof because the uncompensated care costs are close to 50 Billion a year.

This is the point of a mandate you cannot allow people to get free services forever, if they want access to the ER then they need to be contributing to the pool.

You either have a mandate or repeal EMTALA. THAT is the argument.

 

There is a huge population of illegal aliens who will never contribute but will take advantage of the medical care system.

That said, I was talking with my cousin who owns a small business with offices across Texas and several other states. He said he and his CPA were already busy working on how many employees he will have to lay off to cover the increased health care costs or whether he would just not offer insurance and pay the penalty, which would be less expensive. He doesn't want to do either because he is the kind of guy who knows every one of his employees personally and actually cares about them.

The Supreme Court decision definitely will be a landmark decision, and a lot of jobs and job benefits will be on the line.

 

Which hopefully will wake people up to the fact that every other civilized country has already figured out. Putting the health insurance burden on employers is a recipe for failure.

 

A third option, assuming these employees actually are worth what they are paid, he could go to his employees and say "hey, we're going to be giving you a new health insurance benefit now, so we're going to have to pay you less in wages. I'm sorry that your take home pay would go down. But since you don't pay taxes on the value of your health insurance benefit, at least your net total compensation will actually go up."

They get less cash - and still have the option to leave if they want - but get the total value of their compensation increased at no cost to the employer. It seems like a more rational idea than just laying them off and giving them no choice in the matter.

 

Reality is a b****.

Cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes...... cut services, people gon' die.
We can't save everyone: preserve the lives of the elderly and the poor.

How about universal hospice care and assisted suicide?

 

how many?

 

The wife of the guy who I carpool with had an "all hands" meeting a couple of weeks ago in which they were told that their insurance premiums were going down directly because of "Obamacare." This is a law firm with about 50 lawyers.

 

This again? As has been brought up repeatedly illegal aliens contribute to the tax base.

As Major noted many companies already provide health care as part of an overall compensation package.

 

I would still be careful about reading too much into the oral arguments. The justices will always direct tough questions to lawyers presenting cases, even in some cases when they end up voting for said lawyer's case.

It was expected that Kennedy, Roberts and Scalia would have very tough questions for the Solicitor General what is not so clear is how much deference they will give to the other branches. For Kennedy and Roberts this could come down to that even if they feel there are problems they may not want to make a ruling that so directly opposes the Legislative and Executive branches.

 

Anecdotal evidence -- not very convincing.

My company is facing increases.

So you need more data points to suggest that Obamacare will lower for everybody.

 

Wait you called him out for using an anecdotal evidence.







And then proceed to use an anecdote.

 

....and then I said we need more data points to prove his point

did ya miss my last sentence?

nice try, but fail

 

Maybe the insurance companies will call up Thomas, Roberts and gang and instruct them that they need to approve this last gasp attempt to keep insurance middle men skimming off health care dollars in the present economically ruinous scheme.

If they turn it down, then they have cleared the way for real national health care. There is only so long the conservative/libertarian/corporate spin will hold to prevent Americans from affordable health care..

I feel sorry for the millions ObamaCare would have helped, but it is obviously just a band aid till real change comes.

 

Things were even worse for the Democrats today

 

FTFY.

i'm cautiously optimistic that IF a narrow majority finds the mandate unconstitutional, a broader majority will favor striking down the entire law (rendering the medicaid expansion a moot point.)

 

It amuses me how Thomas is an after thought in every article. They detail how the other four conservatives feel and then throw Thomas in as "of course he agrees with whatever they say."

 

Thomas didn't ask any questions or make comments yesterday and hasn't today either I think. That's why he isn't quoted/mentioned.

 

he hasn't asked a question from the bench in 6 years.

 

FTFY. The Supreme Court is a just a Burrito Supreme from the craptastic menu of our political system's epic failure.

I love the potential bottom-line message of this. Congress cannot attempt to regulate an industry that is: (1) eating the national budget faster than any other, (2) sending more people into bankruptcy than any other, and (3) sitting at the foundation of the well-being of the citizenry. Yeah, no, we'd rather leave that industry to its ongoing cluster**** nihilism, thanks.

At least Congress will have Supreme Court backing for their uselessness and their record low approval ratings.

Ayn Rand Utopia awaits! Your only worthwhile insurance: don't dare get sick in US America, unless you are incredibly wealthy.