Not true at all. A huge weight difference is usually an advantage in a physical confrontation to the heavier individual. It's why there are weight classes in boxing, and many martial arts competitions. It may be true that Zimmermann wasn't a physical match for Martin, but it's hardly clear. If Martin was truly doing so much damage to Zimmerman, then it's highly unlikely paramedics would have released Zimmerman without having him see a doctor. Now, later reports have surfaced claiming Zimmerman sought a doctor's help the following day for a broken nose. So if that's true, any head injuries were minor in comparison with a broken nose, which is usually just a routine matter. If someone is banging a persons head into concrete that is potentially life threatening if it is unhampered and not stopped. The physical evidence doesn't support that this was happening even if there were scratches on the back of his head.
So Zimmerman gets the benefit of the doubt for confusing a boy walking home for somebody looking to commit a crime, but Martin doesn't get the benefit of the doubt for not knowing if he was being followed or chased?
You're right. But we have no evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight. Based on him sounding drunk, muttering things like "these ***holes, they always get away", it is easy to imagine a scenario where he initiated the physical contact as he was chasing after him (tackling him as he was running, which Zimmerman said he was doing on the 911 call).
I will say that if Zimmerman started the fight then it his fault and he should at the very least be charged with man slaughter. At this point all the evidence points to Treyvon starting the fight and the evidence also points to Zimmerman getting his butt kicked. Following someone is not starting a fight.
I will say some of the evidence points Trayvon starting the fight. Other evidence points to Zimmerman starting the fight. That's one issue that is definitely not clear.
Regardless of any benifit of doubt, Treyvon had no legal right to attack Zimmerman because he thought Zimmerman was following him.
What evidence? If he was repeatedly getting his head bashed in the concrete as has been claimed, he would require hospitalization not to mention photos of this brutal beating at the hands of a 150-pound bruiser. Instead, all we have is a friend saying he went the next day for a broken nose.
And if Zimmerman started the fight then I support charging him with at least manslaughter and maybe more
And neither do you. But it doesn't take a genius to know that if you're life was in danger due to your head being slammed against the concrete, that a hospital visit would be required. It's called context clues. Did they teach those at Rice? And by Rice, I'm thinking Rice Consolidated junior high because there is absolutely no way you attended Rice University as a paying student. Unless that whole "Harvard of the South" is supposed to be ironic.
If martin hit zimmerman so hard to knock him down there is a good chance he has a broken hand. So it would be easy enough to check. The face is pretty hard. A 6-3 150 pound guy generating that much power is just hard to envision. A guy like paul williams who is a pro boxer has trouble knocking people out.
Lacerations on the back of the head is the physical evidence. The young man was 6'3" tall Zimmerman is only 5'9". Once you punch someone in the nose you can take them down. Treyvon was more than a physical match to Zimmerman.
I've hit people in the face and knocked them down on more than 1 occassion. I have never broken my hand.
I'm not sure who started the physical fight either. I don't think any of us really has enough evidence at our disposal to know for sure. It's all just speculation
Lacerations from his head being slammed on the concrete? Why no hopsital visit because of that? Just one the next day for a broken nose? That's very suspicious. Typically if one is being beaten to where they fear for their lives and they feel the need and to brandish a weapon and fire it, I would expect there to be serious injury to the person. If not, it casts doubt on whether or not shooting the gun was necessary. And if he's being beaten, I'm very surprised he was able to have the time to pull the gun and shoot.
And you don't arrest someone on speculation. Wait for the facts. I will not be surprised if Zimmerman is charged with something at some point.
I think the police had enough evidence or at least the possibility to have enough evidence if the chose to use it. They have access to the types and severity of wounds on Zimmerman, and what if any wounds besides gunshot were on Martin. They have access to phone records, full witness statements from many different witnesses etc. But when you have a detective correcting witness statements changing the person who was screaming for help, and telling one witnesses statements wouldn't be taken into consideration because those statements didn't match a possible suspects, then the police aren't properly doing their job.
Exactly. My point is he'd have a lot worse than lacerations on his head (that apparently did not even require stitches) if it was being slammed into the concrete has as been speculated. And if he was getting his ass kicked, how was he able to break himself away from this 150-lb monster, brandish his weapon and fire?
