It's no small wonder the witness doesn't provide his information -- the African American lynch mob would likely threaten to whack him We've learned more about Martin's background -- while not critical to the case, it does portray a very different picture than the "11 year old Hollister" that the media fell in love with by falsely portraying. Martin is a bus driver beating, drug dealer and burglar, according to what came out this week. He's prone to violence (bus driver), which could matter here. There's been real pics of Martin released that show him closer to his death (rather than 11 year old Hollister) We cannot rule out self-defense at this point.
Let me respond by first directing you to this post http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6571278&postcount=1764 This came as my response to the first time I heard you had a mood disorder and was after you lambasted me for showing concern over obvious delusional signs from toycen. A thread in which YOU laughed openly and made fun of someone who has some type of delusional disorder or possibly even paranoid schizophrenia. You never responded so I thought the issue was settled and we could move on. If you check this thread we are in, you have posted incorrect info twice, and I corrected you in a very polite manner. See this post: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6727300&postcount=1454 I don't think posting false info or having a different opinion means we have to hate each other. In the same way I corrected your info in the abortion thread, nothing wrong with discussion, I am able to be nice when someone is nice to me. When you posted incorrect info about me in your last ultra long post, then went with unfounded personal attacks (considering the tone of our dialogue in this very thread), I find your cries that I am an evil mean dick troll to be unfounded and self serving. Making fun of someone with an even more serious illness, who is actually experiencing psychosis, makes you look like a hypocrite.
So the interesting information now is that Zimmerman was interviewed for 5 hours the night of the shooting. They went to the scene of the shooting the next day and walked through the events. The lead detective was unconvinced by Zimmerman's version of events and recommended manslaughter charges. Zimmerman while being interviewed had no drug or alcohol testing or a background check while Martin's dead body was tested and had a background check. The whole thing stinks.
Don't sweat it. I've noticed that Casey H posts at least the ones addressed to me usually include insult to the point where it often is just plain nonsensical. I don't recall ever insulting him, but either way it's definitely not worth worrying about it. He doesn't have to know personal information to be insulting. I've known several people who've had the exact same bipolar. It's not really a laughing matter, especially when the ambulance is called in, and all the other "fun" stuff that can happen with it.
1) that's what Zimmerman does, evidently. unknown strangers, kids playing too loud etc. all that **** gets reported to the police. why he reported it is because he's a little fat man who likes to report **** to the police. 2) another contributing reason was because Martin was black. come on people. the first reason is unquestionably that it was because he was a suspicious looking stranger... I mean he wouldn't report a black guy who lives in the neighborhood just because he was black and thus must be doing something. He has extended family members who are black. Is he reporting them and their friends any time he sees a black man? but this guy also reported many unknown blacks in the neighborhood so a reasonable person can be open to the idea that being young black and looking thuggish (to Zimmerman's eyes) contributed to why Zimmerman was hassling Martin. truthfully, looking black and thuggish is an indicator that many Americans (including black Americans) in their hearts believe. Jesse Jackson who is stirring the ****storm famously cried to the press in the 80s how he was scared of several black youths who were trailing him and was "relieved" to see that they were actually white kids. this **** is on record. people think black youths commit crimes. and statistically black youths do commit more crimes. Keep in mind here that in this case Zimmerman was wrong. Martin hadn't been doing anything wrong... except maybe assaulting Zimmerman at the end of an incident that Zimmerman himself largely set off. What makes it actually very complicated is the fact that Zimmerman was wrong that Martin was doing anything wrong but he wasn't wrong that Martin could have been doing something wrong based on Martin's past anti-social behavior and brushes with authority. Zimmerman saw a kid and he had a slanted idea that the kid could be doing something based on his impression but the impressions wasn't necessarily wrong either. This kid cultivated an impression that in fact was accurate. He'd gotten into petty problems in the past and if past behavior is indicative of future behavior, he could have been up to no good. But he WAS NOT. yeah usually I read the entire thread but this one is too big and full of too much bull**** to read carefully. I think that it's possible that the cop did correct her and didn't take her seriously. But she said what she said and her statement is on the record. Are you going to change your story because the cop says so? That makes her unreliable. If that little bit from a cop influences her what happens when the Sharpton and Jackson are banging on her door? Either way she changed her story. I kind of feel sorry for this white girl. Stupid b**** caught in the middle and a kid has been killed and a guy is getting death threats. Be 100% of what you ****ing saw wtf bending with the wind. T.Mcgrady I actually agree with you that there's a smear campaign on Martin. Why? Because none of that **** matters. Even if he's a punk and a wannabe gansta. It makes no difference if he had been suspended. If his mom is trying to make money from the case or get copyrights or if they raised a son who's a thug. All those things are illogical, political bull**** unrelated to the case. Much like all the stuff that came out about Zimmerman when the black side was making their case to Black America about the tragedy. Bottom line is, was Martin going to kill Zimmerman? Yes or no? That's the only relevant unanswered question. Period. The stupid thing is how well the smear and counter smear is working. Zimmerman can bless his stars that's he's not white WASP or Southern dude. If he were, then none of this stuff about Martin would even be allowed on air. His mom being Latino has somehow given him cover for being racist (not his ACTIONS but simply him having the luxury of deniability of not being white... and thus not being racist) and his dad being Jew has garnered a backlash of sympathy now from the media and from prominent columnists. I mean Geraldo goes on record to say some bull**** about hoodies and anyone thinks that's NOT influenced by the fact that Geraldo's the exact same ethnic/racial makeup as Zimmerman? If this guy was actually "white" he'd be screwed.
I suspect some 'facts' are now being 'created' To me Zimmerman is an issue the Cops and their selective enforcement of the law is a greater issue Rocket River
can't be sure that he wasn't up to no good. Zimmerman claims he looked suspicious due to his slow walk. Given what we know about Martin's past, he could have been doing more than just "going for some Skittles and tea" probably so. but watch your mouth, you'll get called a racist around here!
I'm not interested in rehashing the past. All I did in this thread was call you a dick and that's just because I think you're a dick. You responded by making fun of my mental health condition which is kind of like saying, "Oh yeah, well you're fat!" But really it's much more like saying, "Oh yeah, well you're crippled! Poor baby, you're crippled :grin:" I did not know ToyCen suffered any condition other than exhibiting a maybe over-excited attitude to Ron Paul and conspiracy theories, or at least I don't remember knowing that. And I don't think it's below the belt to call conspiracy theories crazy. I don't think that is personal anymore than calling voting for Ron Paul crazy. And I don't think it's personal either to tell someone they're posting too much in a thread or trolling it, as I have ToyCen. Certainly I would never respond to any knowledge of him having a mental health condition by saying "poor baby" or whatever which is apparently your go-to when being called a dick and even in retaliation for being called so, again, it only demonstrates that you are one, in fact. A dick, I mean. The post that caused this was a joke. I was just bebopping and scatting about the various, hilarious (to me) things I read while catching up on the overnight of this thread and yeah I called some people dicks or idiots or assholes, in the course of making a very long joke in response to a very long thread. So I called you a catch-all word for an unpleasant or stupid person and you respond with "oh you poor baby with your garden variety mood disorder, boo hoo" or whatever. That's just weird, man. Below the belt. Wrong on so many levels. The kind of stuff FFB got banned for. I am sure I have said many wrong things, factually wrong I mean, in this thread and others. I am often wrong and I am not above admitting it. In the interest of not having to go through and argue each point, because I am both too lazy and too anxious over things I should be doing and am not because I'm here, let me just say you can be right and me wrong about whatever you like re: Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman. I honestly do not care about that. Where I was wrong, especially where I posted something inaccurate and attributed it to you, or inaccurately portrayed your position, let me just say alright, fine and issue a blanket apology. Like so: I was wrong, you were right, I apologize. Because I do not care about that. And then you can say, if you wish, and whenever you wish, "You're wrong about that, you dick." Or "I don't accept your apology or retraction, you idiot." And then from there how about I call you and idiot or a dick when I think you're being one for what you post here and you do the same when you feel that way about me. But how about too we don't either of us respond to just broad insults -- "you are a dick" for example since that is a thing you say to anyone with whom you disagree and not to someone cursed by the hilarious health condition of actually being an actual penis -- with knocks about, let us say, personal health conditions? Whether someone is fat or bald or has cancer or bipolar? What if we agreed to leave that kind of stuff out? Because you have an unfair advantage there, knowing stuff about me when I don't about you and also because it's just a really dickish thing to do. Now can that be the end of it? I have said before that I would prefer not to continue talking about myself and my problems in a thread about something entirely else; you're the one that brought my condition into the thread and in a really nasty way; and I have now summarily apologized to you for every single thing except for calling you a dick. And, again, sincerely, that's only because I really think you are one. So enough about me. And definitely enough about you. Can this be the end of this stupid thing?
So again you are jumping to conclusions without any additional facts. Your hypocrisy has been exposed yet again. You are so bad at this, it's boring.
you failed I said that we "can't be sure" he wasn't up to no good. We don't know, although I'm suspicious, given that he attacked Zimmerman. Could it have been because he was up to no good otherwise?
I see your bait attempt with the unsubstantiated claim that he attacked Zimmerman. If your postings were relevant, I'd respond to that. They aren't, so you lose again.
I received some very fulfilling reputation comments a minute ago. I won't say who provided them, but they were spot on. Go back and read the first 3-4 pages in this thread. Given the additional facts that we know now, I look EXTREMELY CORRECT in my initial assessment. There were A LOT of people hurling insults and tossing the race card at me for merely requesting more facts. Hmmm.....I'm not going to request an apology, I'll simply request that you learn from your errors.
The funniest thing I can ever fathom is people being smug about "needing more evidence". The initial outrage was largely due to the fact that this wasn't being tried at all. Somehow, in this f**ked up world of ours, things like assault allow you to be judge, jury, and executioner (and that is the worst of stories that "need more evidence", unless they support one side). Zimmerman couldn't have shown that he had a gun, pointed it straight at Trayvon? Or was he too busy being beaten by a boy half his size, that he pursued? Life has to be more sacred then that. Especially disappointing from people who consider themselves "pro-life." George Zimmerman didn't need more evidence when he killed the boy. No matter what he did; assault, smoke weed, etc.---death should not have been such a rapid "solution".
