This generation's Roe v. Wade, Brown vs. Board---Supreme Court moves on Obamacare.

All the speculating is useless. As soon as the bill was passed, we knew there were 4 votes against. The only question now is whether Kennedy goes along and if he does, how they justify such a decision.

 

I said it in the beginning, I'll say it again.

There are 5 conservatives and four liberals.

5-4, Obama loses.

 

If the constitution is taken seriously, this abomination they called Obamacare would have died a quick death and never even made it to the supreme court.

Oh how I wish to see an impeachment hearing instead of this circus.

 

Answer this one genius:

"If the government can do this, what, what else can it not do?" Scalia asked.

Guess he's got us there.

 

Great let's just totally kill American Healthcare, and then everyone will die before their 60 yo and the country will be better off.

 

Answer: "Get rid of the deficit?"

 

FTFY.

 

a trainwreck?

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I have never understood this line of belief. What difference does it make if the federal government or the state government creates a mandate in this day and age?

Already a large portion the states budget is funding by the federal government, especially for the so call "national plans/mandates" like drinking age is 21, speed limits, seat belts, medicare, medicaid.

If all those mandates were solely due to the responsibility of the states, most of the states could not afford them which would cause their own state debt to increase or force to to further shut down basic state/local functions.

On top of that for say there was no Medicare/Medicaid at all. One would then happen is that all those patients would end up in the Emergency Room, which is the No. 1 culprit for running up high medical costs since they test for everything with high-priced tests as a means to deal with the volume of patients and since the patients are sicker.

What happens when all the public hospitals start going further into the red do to those costs? The states go further into debt.

There were even articles that came out last year about counties and cities in Alabama and Ohio that had totally mismanaged their accounts and about to go bankrupt because they had debt multiples of time higher than they had previously thought.

The belief that states/local government are more efficient or better run than the federal government is a fallacy.

 

Not only that, but you get 50 bureaucracies doing the same things - except with 50 different sets of rules, which just makes life more difficult for everyone involved. It's inefficiency at its finest.

 

It doesn't make any at all, that's why Mitt says it all the time.

Precisely, unfortunately most of your garden variety "small gov't" popular libertarianism tends to not be able to get anythng more complicated than the invisible hand, so stuff like race-to-the-bottom, collective action, externalities etc tends to be lost on them, and accordingly 50+ regulatory regimes somehow is their preferred outcome to just one.

I actually think that many of the less sophisticated ones might be believe there really is a magical invisible hand that goes around, marking out prices and supply and demand with a giant invisible magic marker.

 

And makes it much easier for national and international corporations to skim and scam. There's a reason all the credit card companies are in Delaware and South Dakota.

 

Nope, you're wrong. My post didn't need fixing.

The four that will vote in favor would have voted in favor if this exact law had been passed by a Republican President and Congress. The four that will vote against would have voted for if this exact law had been passed by a Republican President and Congress. When it was passed by a Democratic President and Congress, we knew they would vote against, regardless of precedent or common sense.

This is a purely political exercise. We have a law based on Republican ideas passed by Dems but opposed by Repubs because they don't want Dems to get the political benefits and/or they want to politically harm the current Dem President.

As far as I know, Kennedy doesn't have a wingnut wife or a son working for a wingnut firm. It will be his decision.

 

I think both Kennedy and Roberts are in play. My purely wild guess is that this is upheld 6-3 at the end of the day.

 

incorrect. Alito, and Thomas, would would vote against regardless. Many people were uncertain about Scalia, prior to today, and particularly Roberts, and he may still be up in the air, as is Kennedy.

 

When the indigent are kicked out to suffer and die on the sidewalk, we will see who the real libertarians are.

 

I think the mandate will be struck down..

everything else stays in place

 

that's not possible. No party would support that.

 

ends justifies the means?