We want the same thing (for due process to be followed). I'm not saying Zimmerman should be convicted. Arresting Zimmerman keeps him from escaping justice, or arrest, and keeps an armed, potentially dangerous person, and possible killer off of the streets.
Ding. Exactly. Now you are starting to get it. Zimmerman's own description was that Martin was a criminal. Therefore If Zimmerman approached Martin, he did so at his own risk. It is NOT justified to use deadly force if you intentionally put yourself into a dangerous situation. You ARE justified to defend yourself but that is different than using deadly force. The standard for using deadly force is MUCH higher ...as it should be.
Here is the applicable part of the statute. The questions seem to be: Was Zimmerman engaged in an unlawful activity? No. Was Zimmerman in a place he has a right to be? Yes, he was. Was he attacked? Perhaps Was it reasonable for Zimmerman to believe that he needed to use deadly force to prevent death or great bodily harm? Debatable.
I agree but I think getting giving him an alcohol/substance test, having a medical expert document his injuries should have been done, plus listening to the 911 calls and probably bring him in for questioning
All of that also applies to Martin. The problem for Zimmerman though is he is on record saying he is going to follow Martin. To accept Zimmerman's story that Martin cut him off would have to show that Martin was actually following Zimmerman.
Arresting him with out having enough evidence file charges is not due process and is a violation of the law. Arresting him does not keep him off of the streets as he would easily make bail, especially with no prior convictions. All arresting him does is violate our constitutional rights in order to appease a community.
Actually the 911 tape doesn't prove that. We're talking about initiating contact, not pursuing. Two different things What question are you referring to? Your gotcha game that I rebuffed long ago? Are you still clinging to that?
It's true that the wording of the Florida law is poor and Jeb Bush himself has stated publicly as such. I suspect the law will be rewritten soon to clarify. Most states are much more clear. But even reviewing the way the FL law was written, Zimmerman did not stand his ground ...he approached Martin.
Zimmerman was in his car when he called. The only reasonable way for the contact to have been made was if Zimmerman got out of his car. So that fact is pretty well established. Thanks for playing. It was fun. I recall your only refute was to ignore me. Or perhaps there is a misunderstanding. Let's go over it again. Where did you refute me? Cause I recall I answered all your questions with fact and you just stopped answering my questions. That's how I remember it.
Zimmerman's told the police that he had turned away and was walking back to his car. If true, then it is conceivable that Martin followed Zimmerman, at least briefly.
We just disagree about whether they had enough evidence to arrest him. There was no public outcry on the night of the incident.
