Or have never had any kids. The real victims are Martin's family. I don't care if Martin tried to go ape ish on Zimmerman (highly doubtful)..the end result shouldn't have been an unarmed dead 17 year old kid.
As much as we known, Martin was not a killer. Zimmerman is a killer, though. At 28, he should have known better.
the guy was a nut. Called 911 over 40 times this year for various reasons. A paranoid guy with a gun confronted an innocent kid against the instructions from authorities. An altercation takes place at the instigation of the paranoid racist lunatic with a gun and the kid ends up getting shot. Fair trial or no, the facts are the facts.
That's incorrect (as most of your posts are). We do know who initiated the contact. We do not know for sure who started the altercation. I personally think it is far more likely that Zimmerman did start the altercation as well, but it could have been that he confronted Martin, asking him what he is doing there, and Martin threw the first punch (which I would regard as "start of the altercation"). I don't think that this is likely, but it could have happened that way. And we do not know yet.
No, what I posted is accurate. What you posted is confining who started the altercation to who threw the first punch. We have a reasonable idea who did that, but we don't know that for sure. The altercation was started when Zimmerman was armed and followed the kid, then confronted him. The altercation may have escalated with the first punch being thrown. But it was already started. You appear to have a different idea about when the altercation started. Having separate ideas of when it started doesn't mean either of us are inaccurate as is most of what you post. I understand that if your idea is to try and insult or make others looks silly in the discussion you'd want to do anything you can to make it look like they post false things. If your desire is to actually discuss and try and understand what other people are saying, then there is no need to try and paint other people's statements as false.
An exchange of words is much, much less relevant for the criminal case than if there was a physical altercation, and who started it. I happen to believe that even if Martin threw a first punch, that is no justification whatsoever for killing him. But it certainly would have a bearing on how severe the criminal sanction would be (i.e., one could possibly come to the conclusion that there was indeed a self-defense situation if Martin threw the first punch and kept attacking, but that the means chosen for self-defense were excessive. If Martin never threw a punch, one could not say that.) You are incorrect. You don't know that Zimmerman started the altercation. If he just went up to Martin and properly identified himself and politely asked if Martin could please inform him what he is doing in the area and then Martin punched him (I think it is unlikely that it went that way), then Zimmerman did not start an altercation, but Martin did. Politely asking someone something is not "starting an altercation". That has been bigtexxx' point all along - we do not know. I happen to think that the likelihood of it having happened that way is so low that I would have arrested Zimmerman anyway, but the possibility is there. Since that possibility is there, you are wrong to say that we know who started the altercation.
Now that a bounty is on his head, what happens if someone kills Zimmerman? Should Zimmerman's father go after the killer? Should we have a race war???
Correct He was a neighborhood watch captain -- not surprising that he would need to call 911 -- he's out trying to keep the neighborhood safe.
I'm not saying Zimmerman is guilty. I agree we don't know that and should let due process happen. Depending on what your defining as the altercation then we may know that or not that. If you mean violent altercation we don't know for sure who started it, but we do know who likely started based on the phone conversation that was going on at the time. liltexxx isn't suggesting we don't have enough facts for there to have been an arrest. He's simply trolling trying to get people riled up. He's ignoring certain facts in order to keep doing this.
Self appointed neighborhood watch captain who also uses a gun on "duty". Basically a step below mall cop and even mall cops don't carry guns.
Even if Zimmerman considers himself as Hispanic the police report specifically states he is White. As I have said several times I don't think race is that critical in assessing the situation. Even if both Zimmerman and Martin were the same race I think the rest of the facts as given make self-defense questionable.
I agree, but your wording sounds funny. In my personal opinion, whether there was self-defense solely depends on the actions of the two people involved, and not at all on race. Race might play into the motive of the killer, but that's it.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Stop believing the liberal media lies. It was 46 times over 7.5 years. There 18 calls over 2 years. You can read the 911 call list yourself.
