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Murder by the numbers

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  1. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

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    The present media wave about the tragic death of Trayvon Martin is for me, an outsider, a fascinating lesson in race, politics, and media perversity in America.

    The impression is being generated that young black men are continuously hunted by white men, and killed.

    So I wanted to know the exact figures. The most recent, those of 2009, I could find are on the site of the Department of Justice.

    About 13% of the population is black. About 80% is white (this number includes Hispanics).

    In 2009, 2,963 white individuals were killed by white offenders. White offenders killed 209 black individuals.

    In that same year, 2,604 black individuals were killed by black offenders. And 454 white individuals were killed by black offenders.

    As we see, there is cross-racial deadly violence, but offenders mainly cause victims within their own race; it is so-called intra-racial.

    What about recent decades? Murders surveyed between 1974 and 2004 show that 52% of the offenders were black, 48% were white. Of the victims, 51% were white, 47% were black.

    In that period, 86% of white murders had whites offenders, and 94% of black murders had black offenders.

    There may be a hunt by white vigilantes for innocent young black men in Florida — if it exists, the figures show this is a limited phenomenon. Trayvon Martin’s death should be thoroughly investigated and the vigilante should be brought to trial in case he broke the law. But such a crime is an exception.

    The main problem for young black men is not violent white men chasing them. It is black on black violence.

    The number of net cross-racial violence in 2009 shows that blacks killed more whites than whites killed blacks. To be exact: 245 more.
     
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    powerful statistics

    after reading the Trayvon Martin thread, some appear to think that the white man (or half white/half hispanic man) is the #1 predator of helpless innocent black people
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    That's definitely not the impression. The impression is that the lives of young black men are worthless to the police and that the police have a gigantic bias in the way they treat both black victims and perpetrators. If the victim of this crime had been a white person, there is little question that Zimmerman would be in jail. The issue is two fold here. A young person was killed for no good reason which is tragic in itself and the police have incredibly bungled the investigation. Both of these issues have an established history for black people in this country.
     
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    I just laugh at ignorant statements like this one, that are not supported by any kind of facts or logic.

    waste of time post
     
  5. gwayneco

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    Using the 2009 statistics, there were 937 murders of blacks aged 13-19. That's 78 a month. Since the Martin shooting happened about 1 month ago, it's safe to assume that approximately 80 such murders have occurred since the Martin shooting.
     
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    Except for the entire history of his country of course. I think your entertainment value is quickly diminishing so I'm finally putting you on ignore. Your troll status is beyond epic.
     
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    sorry to call you out by asking tough questions

    didn't mean to get in the way of your intellectual laziness
     
  8. gwayneco

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    Another look at the numbers. The census data show that there are about 6 times as many whites/hispanics as blacks in America. Since there were 2.2 times as many whites killed by blacks as there were blacks killed by whites, that means that blacks were more than 13 times more likely to kill whites than vice versa. Or, to put it another way - if whites killed blacks at the rate that blacks killed whites there would have been about 2700 instances of whites killing blacks rather than the 209 that actually occurred.
     
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    Using 2010 data, the FBI data include 7 hate crime murders. Four were committed by whites/Hispanics while 3 were committed by blacks. Blacks were 4.5 times more likely to commit a hate crime murder as whites/Hispanics.
     
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    A little early in the morning to be jacking it to dead black man statistics, isn't it?
     
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    Blowing up false information and inaccuracies doesn't take a day off
     
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    And much to the delight of the op, neither does Shipley's.
     
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    Looking at overall Hate crime data by offender:

    - 41% were by white/Hispanic offenders

    - 12% were by black offenders

    - 35% were by unknown offender

    Keep in mind that whites/Hispanics are 80% of the population while blacks are 13%.


    Looking at crimes against people:

    - 57% of offenders were white/Hispanic

    - 16% were black

    - 15% race unknown
     
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    You know what's sad? After reading several articles on the story, I never, not for a single second thought that Zimmerman somehow represented the entire white race or whatever group the OP is implying. My brain doesn't do that sort of thing.

    It's funny that the "conservatives" who like to make generalization of entire races/cultures based on the actions of few... would now get defensive when a single member of its own do something horrific. Here's a note for you guys: people with common sense don't make such broad generalizations.
     
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    Repped.
     
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    These are facts not generalizations.
     
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    Blind. This blaming tendency runs in all directions and it's usually the fringe elements that do it-- except for the finger-pointing at the other side.

    This is about SELLING news rather than finding the truth.

    They are having an "event" here in NC for Trayvon. Attendees are asked to wear "hoodies" and the usual ring of race-baiting black leaders are behind it.

    I think it is hilarious that while sounding like an Aryan, "George Zimmerman" is half Mexican and looks Mexican.
     
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    The OP was implying that the outcry is disproportionate relative to actual crime figures.

    what race-based generalizations are you referring to?

    How do you know Zimmerman's political leanings?
     
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    bigtexxx perhaps you could start a newsletter of some sort? I'm not really sure who you are, but you seem to spend 90% of your time attacking innocent liberals who merely wish to speak freely about the atrocities committed on a daily basis by middle class white males.

    Perhaps you should find a new hobby, such as yachting or perhaps polo. I hear the greens are lovely in March.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    yeah actually I was invited out to play a round of golf today, but declined. Going to watch some of the Ultra music festival and chill instead
     

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