Throw out 2006 if that makes you feel better about your asinine argument. You might want to take another look at that 09 class and remember that our superstar running back was signed after that draft so........ Cush Barwin Quin Casey McCain Nolan And superstar running back who has become the face of our franchise Not even close to 2006? I think you may be letting your frustration of free agency losses in March cloud your judgement. Relax.....The upcoming draft will bring you back and you will be full on ready for a Super Bowl by September!
OK so how is it an asinine argument? This is a discussion about poor drafting leading to cap issues. In that discussion a draft from 6 years ago where all the players are/were free agents is irrelevant. Seems pretty obvious.
Looks like McNair will be content to be the division champs again but win no superbowl. Probably realizes that with the weak afc south, houston doesn't really need to improve anymore in order to win it.
It is asinine to think this team has drafted like crap because they don't produce 4 pro bowlers from each one. I ask you again to show me another team with better collective results since 2006. Screw it. Show me a team with a better class than our 2009. And don't leave out Arian as if he was not a part of that class.
How is 2006 a part of this discussion on cap issues? We JUST lost 3 guys from that draft because they made too much from their second (non-rookie) contract.
2006 is the beginning of the kubiak era of drafting.....you know, the guy who built the current Super Bowl contending team you are complaining about. You thoughtlessly threw out an unwarranted argument damning this regime's drafting and I am just curious as to why that is? Yeah, I get it.....Kareem Jackson fell down a lot during his rookie year but to dismiss the Texans entire body of draft work based off of this is short sighted. And please show me a better 09 from another team.....please!
Is this all [losing players] the result of breaking the bank to save their jobs last year? Kind of like the Carson Palmer Trade If it worked. . . ole boy still has a job If it doesn't . .. . he is not there to deal with the fall out in this case it worked. . . so now they have to deal with the fall out Rocket River
Rick Smith wasn't here in 2006. And I am talking about their drafting as it pertains to their current cap status which is what you keep missing. Not their body of work. Read it again: The starters they lost include those from 2006. They are no longer on the team and last year they were all making tons of cash. Sooo, my point still stands, cheap labor comes from the draft and 2006 hasn't been a source of cheap labor since 2009-2010. 2009 is great if you include Foster, BUT if you include him why is he making so much $$$ now? Because he wasn't drafted and had a 3 year contract of which you got 2 INCREDIBLE years and one little to nothing. Cushing has 2 years left, Brown has 1 year left of cheap labor. So from a cheap labor point of view, you got 2 years from Foster compared to a guy you drafted like Brown who you will get about 4 years if you don't include 08 where he split time and 5 years from Cush. You could easily say we "drafted" Schaub but you only got 3 cheap years from him until his huge bonus and raise came in, and now he is due for another contract. You see my point now right? 2007 to current would be possible sources of cheap labor, you didn't draft enough starters during that period for it to be the case. Foster is no longer cheap, him and JJo are the highest paid guys on the team. They have drafted one pro bowler since and including 2007. If you include Foster it is 2. In 5 drafts.
how about the Steelers cutting: (all starters) Hines Ward, Aaron Smith, James Farrior, Chris Kemoeatu, Bryant Mcfadden and they havent even re-signed any of the own free agents. and how about the Colts, they werent even good last season, and they have lost more starting players than the texans, (Manning, Garcon, Addai, Clark, Tamme, Saturday) and they havent signed anyone. with all those cuts they should have more cap money, but they are not signing anyone.
Tamme's contract is bigger, so I'm not so sure. Tamme: 3 years 9 million (3.5 guaranteed) Dreessen: 3 years 8.5 million (guaranteed not known yet)
This is just absurd. What do you expect McNair to do, take a gun into NFL headquarters and take Roger Goodell hostage until he grants the Texans a waiver on the salary cap? There's a hard cap and the Texans have to be under it. Why is this so hard for some of you to grasp?
You have zero context to any of your arguments. For starters, the 2007 and 2008 drafts are a misleading metric because the Texans dealt second rounders in both years for Schaub. Anything below, say, round 3 is a crapshoot. So of your most relevant rounds, you're starting at a 33% reduction in picks. As of the last official Texan roster, 28 players from the 2007-11 drafts (out of 39 picks) were on the roster. Eight of them - Brown, Cushing, Barwin, Quin, Jackson, Watt, Reed, Yates - were starting. (If you want to take Yates off because he's not starting in 2012, that's fine, but you have to add Sharpton so the result is the same.) Another 7 - Jones, Caldwell, Casey, McCain, Nolan, Tate and Mitchell - had regular playing time. And this doesn't even count undrafted free agents (Foster), which is a part of the draft process, but that's fine. Your argument is so asinine that we can deconstruct it without that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Texans_draft_history By comparison, let's see how it stacks up against the Steelers - largely considered the "model franchise" of the NFL. In that 2007-11 timeframe, they've had 41 picks. 24 of them (a lower percentage than Houston) are on the roster. Nine are starting. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3900&type=team Pick another team if you wish - I just chose the Steelers at random because they're considered the prototype "system" team that successfully builds through the draft. But to say the Texans draft like crap (which is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on this board) without looking at CONTEXT is absurd.
They were most assuredly additions *to the salary cap*. If they had literally let the clock run out on their other selections and just come away with Duane Brown: A+ - any draft where you land a stud LT is an A+. In 2009, they finished 9-7 and were literally plays away from the playoffs. They had the nucleus in place for what we thought would be a contending team, and they were drafting 20th overall, the first time they drafted that high in franchise history. What else should they be looking for if not marginal starters and/or depth? The landed a starter and four guys in the rotation last year on a 10-6 team (Tate, Mitchell, Sharpton McManis); they may have also landed their Joel Dreessen replacement (Graham). It wasn't a sexy draft - but it was most definitely a productive one.
