We certainly are in agreement with the hindsight issue, hard not to be. Perhaps also easy to agree upon it the degree to which it has hurt the Rockets to go from two stars to none with very little in return. If Morey could have avoided that, it most likely was his biggest mistake, the question posed in this thread. As you mentioned in 2005 we were up 2-0 on the road and lost four straight and by 40 in the final game. It may have been the beginning of them playing together, but these were not two rookies. Tracy had been the NBA scoring leader the past two years and teamed up with pre-injury Yao. Think if Durant joined Howard in Orlando and that happened to them. Someone somewhere would be raising a red flag just a little. Surely the talking heads on ESPN would have something to say about it. And that was just the opening round. As you chronicle above, it was injury after injury. It would have been a gutsy move, but the signs were surely there. Maybe the question should be, did it really have to have gone down to the very end.
You are kidding me right? Larry Bird was not good GM for the Pacers. Joe Dumars won a championship but his moves since then have not been great. Chris Wallace is one of the worst GM's in the league. He traded Kevin love for OJ mayo, Pau Gasol for scrap, traded Kyle Lowry for scrap, drafted Hasheem Thabeet with the number 2 pick and ended up having to give up a 1st rd pick just to get rid of him (which btw thank you John Wallace). And you want to talk about records? Under Wallace the Grizzlies have only finished the season with a 500+ record once.
I must a missed where you put the Morey accomplishments. Where are those at? Course you ain't going to talk about that cause there are none.
Since Morey took over the Rockets have not finished the season under .500 Team record:07-11 Morey: 193-135. Mike Wallace: 132-196 Larry Bird: 141-187 Joe Dumars: 155-173
Hindsight...... Terrence Williams coming out of Louisville was easily a top 11-18 pick..... wasn't the worst..... Now... Thabeat.... that is a whole other story...
Considering the fact that he was only in his second year when we traded for him, and he is after all round the second pick. At worst, we keep him for a season and use him as a useful expiring, and best he actually turns out something nice. I would do that deal any day of the week.
I can never understand why people think that trade was a bad move...... The trade was Battier for Thabeet and a first round pick. Battier was out the door anyway. What is wrong with trading him for a first round pick and a large expiring contract? Who knows, maybe Thabeet could pan out. He was the second overall pick. It was a very low risk, high reward. He didn't and it was fine. We didn't need him to for it to be a solid trade. We still got a 1st round pick which we used to trade up for Motiejunas. We also got a large expiring deal that we used to get Camby here this year. And honestly, who would prefer Battier over Parsons at this point? Pretty solid player every other GM passed up.... This Morey hate is unbelievable. No one is saying he is infallible. To me this thread is absolute stupidity. It isn't anything but nitpicking at this point. Just give it a rest....
Then you can always find a way to support Morey's transactions. I didn't say it was a huge mistake, it was worth gambling but he could have gambled on other prospects..... That was on him. Terrence, Flynn, Twill even considering that they have high upside was dumb, I know it's in hindsight now.
No knock on the TRADES itselves.... wished it were for better players, longer prospects than Thabeet and TWill, those are mentally limited players.... I deal with Chuck Hayes player types any day of the week, and 24 hours a day because they might be physically limited players but not mentally.
In 1993, the Rockets was not a contender for the past 7 years. I'm sure in hindsight you would've chosen to blow up the team right then.
Oh come on, Flynn? Thabeet and Flynn were throw ins. Throw ins, garbage that you pick up for picks. There are usually only two ways of getting a first round pick. You trade it for a good player ala. Durant-Allen. Or you take on a contract ala. Baron Davis. The deal with Memphis was for a pick. The pick was the main priority. Memphis just so happened to give us a second pick in his second year who was expiring in one year anyways. The deal with the wolves was for D-Mo, we got rid of Brad Miller on the way. We received another throw in player in Flynn to finish that deal. Jesus Christ we got Montiejonas as a result of that deal, and he looks terrific so far. Seriously, can we be more realistic instead of complaining that Morey didn't straight up trade Brad Miller and Battier for a first round pick?
WTF?? Which other prospects were available. Can you tell me the prospects who were traded to another team and then blossomed that year? Better yet, can you tell me any promising young prospects traded for a player of Battier's caliber? No you can't. Why? Because teams value productive young players. It isn't that easy... Flynn was a throw in. We traded for Motiejunas, who mind you, is looking more like a top 10 pick. Flynn was no more than an expiring deal. Morey didn't take a flyer on Flynn, he was a throw in. Stop saying otherwise. Terrence Williams for a lottery protected pick isn't a bad move. He didn't work out. We traded a lottery protected pick for a player who had an incredible stretch his rookie year. Not everything works out. You conveniently listed him twice...... We essentially trade Battier for Motiejunas and Camby. Then we replaced Battier with Parsons. I'm curious as to how you could possibly be opposed to this.
Like Chandler Parsons, Kyle Lowry, Goran Dragic, Patrick Patterson, Courtney Lee, Chase Budinger? All young, very smart prospects.
U mad? Look for yourself.... Enough Euro prospects...like Llull....Erazem Lorbek, Mirotic....Pekovic..... couple of those guys not flashy but getting the job done easily ahead of Thabeet and Williams. I think you belong to the group that is easily attracted to players position within the draft... and not their fundamentals, BBall IQ and how to play the game the RIGHT WAY.
