what about the evidence to prove Martin was behaving suspicious in the first place? you never answered my question about Zimmerman's racial epithet. in case you missed it, he uttered the phrase "f$#king coons" while he was on the phone with the dispatcher. do you think this is appropriate for a self appointed, armed Neighborhood Watch captain that has called 911 46 times in just over a year? how many times have you called 911 in your life when witnessing a crime? based on your experience, do you think the initial profiling of Martin was unjust and inaccurate? I don't think they ever determined if he was high on lean, though. why did you ask if he was high on lean, by the way?
Keep in in mind it was apparently pitch black outside as well. If the kid panicked because this racist ******* chased him then there is no argument here. Zimmerman is guilty. Still can not believe bigtexxx is defending him...
Two differences: 1) Saying there is a possibility of riots does not accuse specific people here from the BBS, but is referring to the fact that among a large group of people, some might express their anger in a violent way (which has happened in the past). 2) Riots (e.g., smashing store windows, looting, etc.) are not the same as murdering someone in cold blood.
shooting deaths in Florida are up 250 % since the stand your ground law went into effect. http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-20/...shooting-deadly-force-shooting-death?_s=PM:US
It doesn't say the number of homicides are up though, it just says that there are more cases being reported as 'justifiable' since the law went into effect, which could effectively mean: no more people have lost their lives but the numbers changed to reflect the new definition of 'justifiable homicides'. Ofcourse, I could be wrong, I'm no expert.
You're right that it may not be the number of murders. But the previous number of gun deaths per year included the number of murders by gun. The present number also includes that. The fact remains that before the law fewer people were dying from gun shots than since the law was passed.
Actually this is Jeff's domain and I think it is basically . . . the D&D is where they allow the . .uhm . . .annoying folx to run free so they won't bring their . . uhm . . brand of discussion into the other forums this place is almost anything goes except when those . . like those you are complaining about will run to Jeff and BAM [B*tch And Moan] See while they will say the most racist and near racist crap ever they are the ones who run to the Mods and report people the most They are a bunch of whiney b*tch*s who can dish it but cannot take it Basically . .. you know what they are. . . . why bother trying to change the or even acknowledge them we all fall for the bait .. . . Some of hardcore racist . . .others are Griefers who want to annoy folx and the last portion are just clueless morans . .. . You won't "win" with them because two have no logic and the other group have no purpose than to irratate. You show show them for what they are. . .then move on Rocket River
The issue is the numbers How many folx have been intimidated and bullied because someone has a gun and a perceived right. Take Zimmerman . . . We know this is not his 1st time How many other folx in the neighborhood has he imposed his brand of security on . .. that went unreported? How many others like him are out there Rocket River
We don't know if he's guilty. Sorry, but we just don't. Say you're right and he's the worst racist known to man -- that's horrible, but that doesn't mean he's guilty. We need to know what happened between Martin and Zimmerman between the confrontation and the shot.
BT you know we well never get the truth all we can go off is that facts that have come out zimmerman is in the wrong here by the currently known facts.
Right wing extremists get so comically obtuse in their insane zeal for the absolute defense of ideology: "You are all biased! Just because the shooter is white and the victim is black!" "Stop rushing to judgment! He was probably high on drugs. Maybe casing homes to break into." "We need more evidence! Audio tapes of a kid screaming for help and multiple witness accounts are not sufficient! Even if the shooter did utter a racial slur on his way to the scene!" "The victim's family is controlling the media narrative!" "There is no race factor! YOU PEOPLE are the racists!!!" Allow me, if I may, to summarize the arguments made by bigtexxx and his two slightly less insane comrades so far in this thread: "You liberals are guilty of having a soul and letting it influence your perception of injustice. For fairness to truly exist, you must be devoid of a soul and be an emotionless robot. Humanity and justice cannot coexist in the same space. And just so we're clear, our definition of justice strictly requires an outcome that fits into our ideological narrative of less-than-advantaged minorities who have parlayed an ancient civil rights movement into a giant modern day bloodsucking welfare parasite upon our existence, relentlessly intent on waging war on our declining white majority. Any alternative conclusion is logically flawed and ultimately unacceptable." Come to think of it, that is pretty much the same argument they make about everything else -- healthcare, taxes, immigration, social security, etc.
Actually, that isn't necessarily true according to many articles and has yet to be determined: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2 "We didn't hear it. However, I am not sure what was said," Sgt. David Morgenstern of the Sanford Police Department said. "I have listened to the tapes, and I have not heard them use a racial slur," concurred City Manager Bonaparte. A top CNN audio engineer enhanced the sound of the 911 call and several members of CNN's editorial staff repeatedly reviewed the tape but could reach no consensus on whether Zimmerman used a racial slur. Whether Zimmerman used such language prior to shooting Martin is key, according to CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin. The thing I hate about cases like this is that they are so emotionally charged, people lose sight of the actual facts of the investigation. The public is only privy to information that has been released or reported which is often a fraction of the facts of a case. Throw in the community and family that are angry and emotional, add a touch of political activists proclaiming the guy guilty, mix together every internet lawyer in the country commenting...and the guy is already guilty without a trial. If the dude is guilty, he should fry, but I'm not going to let "outrage" over the event cloud the facts. I'm certainly not going to let TV personalities like Nancy Grace or Al Sharpton influence my opinion. They get to go on TV and proclaim guilt or innocence without any backlash on them, whether they are wrong or right. You also can't take the family's word for a grain of salt. I hope the police can get the facts straight and prosecute (or not) accordingly.
Just hard for me to believe Zimmerman's life was EVER in jepordy. How was he going to lose his life? Trayvon killing him with his bare hands while trayvon was screaming help? This kid was unarmed and minding his business. Screw all the technicalites and needing more evidence BS. Our judical system is flawed. OJ got away with murder....Rodney King got his @ss beat by racist cops and they got off WITH evidence against them. Common sense is a powerful thing and I'm speaking for myself from my prospective. Zimmerman's claim for self defense is a joke and the way the Sanford police handled this case was/is a mockery. You can't get me to believe for one second that Zimmerman had just cause to shoot that kid....leave the racist remarks out, dispatcher telling him not to pursue; police changing witnesses statements ; witnesses coming forth with statements that condemn Zimmerman's defense....leave all that out. What's left is a 28 year old man and a 17year old kid. The man outweights the kid by almost a 100lbs. The man is armed with 9mm The kid is unarmed The kid was NOT in trouble, looking for trouble and just wanted to go home. The man was looking to stop a crime; irritated that people like the boy always gets away and was going to do something about. I'd like to know when in the KKK hell Zimmerman EVER feared for his life under those circumstances? Even if they got in a tussle and Martin decks him in the face; that's just cause to fear for your life?? Getting punched in the face? Do anyone believed that Martin attacked Zimmerman? What was Martin's motivate? He wanted to go home and finish watching the game, not fight a 28yr vigilante. We know what Zimmerman's motives were...it's on tape....He wanted to prevent a crime from possibly happening because it was obvious Martin was on drugs or something. Can't buy it....smells like open booty hole. Of course this is my opinion and my feelings. Zimmerman's claims are bogus and he shoot a kid because he believed this black kid was one of the people that's been robbing that neighborhood. He made a mistake that will probably cost him his freedom.
The evidence has been presented. Martin was walking home with skittles, iced tea, and talking on the phone with his girlfriend. Someone doing that is not a threat to a person older and 100 pounds bigger. There are those here who are aware of the evidence and are just pretending it isn't conclusive in order to rile up other posters. Please don't let it work.
I think the main issue is the racial framework that makes Zimmerman's assumptions acceptable. Question: What makes this situation different than what happened to Henry Louis Gates? Gates and Martin was profiled. Both were approached for being in their own neighborhood. Both were seen as 'suspicious' In one instance it is a Professional cop in the other it was a Cop wanna be The only read difference is the escalation . . . Zimmerman shot and killed The Cop arrested the professor Maybe a less trained cop would have shot and kill the professor. If that issue would have been properly handled. . . maybe the escalation that lead to Trayvon's death would not have happened We have let too much slide Rocket River
what conclusion did YOU come to when listening to the audio recordings? I don't care what conclusion "many articles" have come to or what is "necessarily true" among the biased media, so to speak. it's pretty clear what I heard. besides, I'm not surprised that a Sgt. of the Sanford PD didn't hear anything, their captain just got a 3-2 vote of no confidence from the city council. the other lady quoted must be one of the 2 votes.
