do you deny bigtexxx pointing out the bloody nose when people tell him what zimmerman did wasn't self-defense?
Then you "fail" at deductive reasoning. I guess if there's no direct evidence, it doesn't exist according to you, ATW, and BigTexx. If you don't understand how those quotes don't correlate with this conclusion: Those quotes make it apparent that BigTexx believes: 1) It's likely that Martin did something to incite "the black". Going as far as questioning if he was high, displaying inflammatory behavior, or acting in a suspicious manner (truly suspicious, not just walking home). He repeatedly makes the assertion that something probably triggered the chain of events resulting in his death... that something is a hitherto unreleased fact which he alludes to repeatedly. This (nonexistent) fact would justify the shooting by proxy. Thus, we should stop making judgments about this murderer. We really should keep waiting for it. 2) He believes the account provided by the media is flawed and only tells one side of the story. It's made to appeal to our emotions; as such any evidence which is released by the media should be scrutinized as it's biased. Now read the sjackson0 quote and tell me how it's incorrect? Just because something is not directly said doesn't make it factually incorrect. The quotes I posted earlier *clearly* support the 2 points I just made (the same 2 points sjackson0 was making). The same applies to this case; based on every shred of tangible evidence that has been released and is forthcoming Zimmerman should have been and needs to be arrested. The man who wrote the Florida castle doctrine believes he should have been arrested. The witnesses who have come forward believe it wasn't self defense, and he should have been arrested. The majority of people who have analyzed the available evidence and listened to the tapes believe he should be arrested. At no point does Zimmerman claim the killing was anything more than self defense - but the evidence available currently clearly points otherwise.
I think you may be confused. Yes, he said that and it is a valid issue to consider when the issue of self defense is considered. If I had to bet my life, I would bet that Zimmerman is guilty of sin, but not all the evidence is known and it is being investigated. I fail to see how your quoted material supports your position.
I hate double negatives. Sorry for the double post. If you don't understand how those quotes correlate with this conclusion: then consider the following. I'd edit that in but I can't. FML.
Here's an idea for you. Instead of trying to figure out "what I believe", why don't you just ask me? I'm flattered that you've fully analyzed my posts, though. I've said what I believe many times -- that we need more facts to assess the validity of Zimmerman's self-defense claim. And yes, I do feel the media has been biased in their reporting.
You are choosing to not get it. Yes Texxx said that you are only hearing one side of the story, as is often the case when a story is broken by the media, all of the evidence was and to a lesser extent is not known. Do you doubt the media is ever wrong or biased? Consider that Fox news is dedicating 1/10th the coverage to this case that CNN..why? Because of demographics. The depiction of the evidence is even different depending on the Audience. With all that in mind, no I don't believe the assumptions are valid. They never said what was stated, and the best anyone can come up with is basically.."Come on, we all know what they meant!" ... Which is interesting because some of the same folks attacking Texxx and gwayneco hate when Texxx and gwayneco play the assumption game on other issues.
Nice attempt to reduce cognitive dissonance. You're being intellectually dishonest because you know these guys are wrong, but you have to defend their bigotry to make yours okay, too. I really don't understand how bigtexxx hasn't been banned as much as he toes the blatant racism line, but all of you that continue to try to reason with the psycho are even more frustrating.
I've asked you over and over...you fail to answer. So, I'll ask you again Do you BELIEVE that Zimmerman PROBABLY had just cause to shoot Trayvon AND we all should wait and hold judgment because the media is bias? I mean, why still don't know all the facts right? Zimmerman did have a bloody nose right> Zimmerman probably had just cause to shoot Trayvon correct?
Gwayneco or Bigtexxx will not answer the questions below Do you BELIEVE that Zimmerman PROBABLY had just cause to shoot Trayvon AND we all should wait and hold judgment because the media is bias? I mean, will still don't know all the facts right? Zimmerman did have a bloody nose right? Zimmerman probably had just cause to shoot Trayvon correct? And it's ok.....because they know the response that will follow. Sir Jackie accused me of making stuff up when all that nonsense these two spread the last few days are well documented. Then I basically realized that Sir Jackie is pretty much a pea in a pod. I didn’t make anything up….they believe Zimmerman probably had just cause, if they didn’t then why tell everyone that we must wait before passing judgment? That’s a clear sign that Zimmerman’s actions could be justified…but agreeing with me would be like agreeing with ANYTHING Obama does and that’s not how the games goes. So I'll say this.....the argument is baseless in regards to the real story. I was trying to prove a point to Sir Jackie that bigtexx and gwayneco were trolling baiters when he knew all along and was here to defend them. This is not how I wanted to express my opinion about Trayvon's death.
That's simply not true. I have always believed the death to be a true tragedy. I pray for the Martin family, due to the loss of their family member. getting back to the case, though, I still believe we need more evidence to prove that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense.
Since we don't know everything that happened between the confrontation and the shot, we cannot maintain that Zimmerman was not justified in self-defense. We need to know more.
You can reasonably conclude that's exactly what they're saying based on those quotes. You can continue being obtuse if you want to, I'm done w/ dealing with your pandering. I dunno, nor do I care what gwayneco said or didn't say. It's clear exactly how Texx feels about this case based on his quotes throughout this thread. Everything isn't always clearly spelled out for you word for word buddy - sometimes you need to use your mind. I'm done arguing w/ you over semantics anyways, at the end of the day it doesn't matter. ~ Texx, it's sad that you still are claiming there isn't enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman. What exactly would serve as sufficient evidence? A video of the event? Zimmerman's testimony? You're choosing to ignore everything else.
Believing the death was a tragedy and then getting on a message board dominating thoughts and minds along with using dated racial dialect doesn’t suggest you do. And if you really felt that way, then WHY not express that yourself without me telling you it was the proper thing to do? You were on here before me and have the most post, yet you never showed any remorse until I brought it. Regardless...I hope your prayers are sincere and sure the family would appreciate them....for what it's worth
Thank you....I already knew how you felt, just pass that on to Sir Jackie aka ATW when time permits. ***I couldn't disagree with you more, but your opinion is just that***
Actually the Sanford police department might've committed a crime. There is evidence that they coached witnesses and altered witness testimony. There is also evidence that they didn't follow standard procedure in regard to this case. Those things seem like evidence tampering and obstruction of justice.
You all know damn well that certain posters and their like-minded clones will/would defend Zimmerman even through an inevitable trial. However, if we're looking at a presumption of innocence, I also doubt these posters thought Casey Anthony was guilty. It's useless to ask them how they feel. You already know the answer. The biggest hint is their "media bias" claim...already. Bias exists, true, but it is limited in this case. Even without his arrest, he wasn't justified in his actions. He was the aggressor...it's in the 911 tape. He went after Trayvon. Why use a gun? If you're "concerned" about "the black" walking down your street, why not man up and confront him without a piece? George went overboard, and that's a huge, huge understatement. Racism is still a problem, and some people try to play it off as something of the past. RIP Trayvon
Zimmerman incited the event and the kid died. How is he not arrested? If I walked up to a kid weighing 100lbs less than me agitating him, he punches me in the face and I shoot him dead, is that ok? Because that seems like what happened. I ask you, if you knew nothing else than what you know now, how would your justice be served? Would you let Zimmerman go free? Or put him on trial? trayvons story will never be heard. all those people that are waiting for more facts, at least half of the story will never to told.
