Kobe Bryant the most overrated player in NBA History?

Between that insignificant stat and his multiple MVP's, people are going to pay attention to his multiple MVP's...

 

So what's your point? LeChoke still has 0 and has sought group purchase to get 1. Apparently you evaluate LeChoke on his possible future success. And that's why he's overrated. You are earning him championships in your wet dream and you refuse to wake up.

 

In his first year with Bosh and Wade, Lebron led the Heat to the finals. As the years pass, the Heat will be able to add better role players. Is it so outlandish to think they'll win a title?

I'll make you a tipjar bet. Barring injury to the James/Wade/Bosh, if the Heat win a title within the next 5 years (with the 11/12 season being year 1), you put $50 in the tip jar. If they don't, I'll put in $250.

You sure do like to talk about Lebron's nuts and wet dreams a lot. Is there something you'd like to share with everyone?

 

LOL, WADE and BOSH, ONE title in next 5 years? I never understand why a desperate coattail rider can be mentioned in the same sentence as an all time great.

Nevertheless LeChoke was so confident he wanted to win 8 rings in his come out party (if he didn't mean 0). And his fans don't even have a split of his confidence.

 

This is what you said:

So it sounds like you don't think he'll even win 1. That's why I made the bet for a single title.

On the other hand, I could be wrong. How many titles do you think the Heat will win in the next 5 years?

 

0....

 

It was easier to score in the 80s than it is today. That should not even be debatable.

 

Depends on what part of the 80's. During the late 80's, defenses were getting pretty rough.

 

Jordan played as tough of defenses as the superstars in todays games play. I'll leave it at that. That shouldn't be debatable either.

 

kobe and lebron have about the same disparity between regular season and playoff performance.

 

the first 10 years or so of jordan's career was played when offensive efficiency was the highest in nba history. from the mid-80s to mid-90s it was remarkably consistent at about 1.08 points per possession. the mid-90s to mid-2000s is when defense started to take over and by the mid-2000s it was decided that defenses had been granted too much of an advantage in terms of interior and perimeter physicality (people like to think it was more physical in the past but only because you could occasionally flagrant foul someone without a flagrant, but defense is a play to play thing and it simply wasn't the same in the past on a play to play basis) and so the handcheck rules were changed (or enforced) and that only brought efficiency about back to its peak and i think it has averaged a little below that peak in the handcheck era. both pace and efficiency were higher in jordan's prime than for about half of kobe's career. and obviously even with efficiency largely back the pace is still much slower. so while people can talk about flagrants and physical defenses and complexity all they want, it was simply a more offensive league than it is now and significantly more so than it was for about a decade before the handcheck rules.

 

Kobe is no Jordan. Kobe is better than LeBron (Prime Kobe). Kobe was never overrated except when being compred to Jordan. Even most competent basketball experts and historians rate Kobe as the second best 2 guard in NBA history. Period. Deservedly so.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-GreatestSGs[url]

 

Put any of these superstars in the late 80s and 90s and they would be worse off in terms of offense than they are now.

 

No he wont. You cant even conjure up a logical explanation for this baseless post

 

Kobe still benefitted from playing with better players, regardless of if you think Gasol will or will not be a HOFer.

 

Can you read? LeChoke has 0 ring as of now. So he's way overrated given your assessment. He could have 10 rings 5 years later and it doesn't matter. It hasn't happened. And as of now LeChoke should not be mentioned in the same sentence as an all time great like Kobe. Case closed.

 

Yes, but Jordan won all of his titles in the 90's.

wekk0368, why do you continue to debate with someone that thinks a dude who came in 2nd in MVP voting and led the team in scoring and rebounding during the regular season and playoffs (while being 2nd in assists) didn't lead his team to a title that year? Spend your time and energy discussing basketball with someone who actually has a clue of what they are talking about.

 

Just b/c Kobe has won 5 championships doesn't mean he's currently a better player than Lebron. Lebron has been the best player in the league for several years now. Kobe has just been on the team with the best frontcourt in the league. I highly doubt that Lebron is on anyone's all-time top 10 list, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's ranked ahead HOFers who haven't won a ring (i.e. Barkley, Malone, Stockton). And that seems fair.

Of course I can read. Can you? If so, kindly show me the post where anyone claims that Lebron has already won a ring.

And while you're at it, can you find a post where anyone claims that Lebron's career has surpassed Kobe's?

Probably not. You may not be aware of it, but your method of debating is nothing more than a series of strawman arguments. And since your point can't prove itself on its own merit, it's wrong.