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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

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    I am beginning to hope that Zimmerman is indicted because the only way we can possibly get through all the hatred that this case is generating is to have a full blown trial. Even that may not be enough to satisfy some if the verdict does not go their way.
     
  2. sjackson0

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    You F&CKING idiot...how is Trayvon's family inflaming racial tension??? Zimmerman is the one that profiled an innonent kid because he was black.
    "they Always get away"
    "f&cking coon"

    Really??? Trayvon's family inflamed racial tension?

    The police didn't do their jobs...It's suspect on how they handled the situation in whole. It brings questions and doubts to that whole department. You don't let a person of interest go free when a unarmed kid is dead SHOT by the only person of interest! You hold Zimmerman until ALL the facts are available, not assume he was telling the truth because the black guy HAD to have assaulted him because that's how it usually goes right? Zimmerman’s word is all they needed…open and shut case…all is right in the world….one less we have to deal with….trayvon would have committed a violent crime anyway…just a matter of time. Just be open about your true racial feeling.
     
  3. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

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    So, it's your position that Zimmerman should have been arrested pending an investigation?
     
  4. sjackson0

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    well according to gwayneco and bigtexxx...the NON black had to be yelling for help. That savage was all over Zimmerman.
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Hell yes, that's pretty much the point here. The guy shot an unarmed teenage kid who weighed 100 pounds less and claims self-defense when he was actually pursuing the kid in the dark? Are you kidding? What about the kid's right to self-defense? Some man is following him in a truck and that guy gets out to chase him in the dark. That kid was probably scared to death. Even if the kid did punch Zimmerman first that doesn't rise to the point where Zimmerman is justified in killing him. He outweighed him by 100 POUNDS! That's ridiculous. If someone was chasing you in the middle of the night and caught up to you then you would be perfectly justified in punching that person. THAT is self-defense.
     
  6. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

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    My true racial feeling? I don't have one. I know that blacks/African-Americans are more likely than whites to commit a violent offense. That alone tells me nothing about any particular black male. Thus, it would be wrong make any assumption about a particular person. A young black man in a hoodie is just a young black man in a hoodie. I don't immediately think he's about to rob.

    Also, let me say this - Zimmerman is knucklehead, but even knuckleheads have rights.
     
  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Everyone is innocent until proven black. Thanks.
     
  8. wallyj12

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    "The blacks would make deliveries"? What the hell is that, no one ever said anything about "blacks making deliveries".

    Gwayneco, in his worry for Zimmerman, wondered if he would get a "fair trial" and if he got off if there would be a "Rodney King response", insinuating that's a typical response as if that's the only course of action certain groups can exhibit, unruly rioting and violence. Sjackson0, who feels that gwayneco is defending Zimmerman for killing Martin, replies by saying he hopes gwayneco (who is some sort of delivery guy, something which he publicly announced only a few posts before hand) is on MLK making his deliveries if his suggestion of a Rodney King response actually happens.

    So yea, sjackson0 did wish gwayneco to become a victim of violence but only from his own racial stereotype, that the African-American community would not respond in a civil manner to a fair trial that allowed Zimmerman to walk.
     
  9. sjackson0

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    Yes...it's my position that he should have been arrested because a child was shot with this 9mm when HE WAS TOLD not to follow the child. JUST on that alone...he should be in jail until the police and detectives conduct a thorough investigation. That's the only thing that makes sense Bigot Boy2. Why would they just accept his explanation, put that kid in a bag and send him to the morgue for his mother and father to identify?? What would make them think it was ok to let Zimmerman go when it was obvious after the fact that
    1. Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong like Zimmerman suggested
    2. Trayvon was armed with candy and ice tea

    Something should have clicked to the Sanford police dept....hhhmm, why would Trayvon attack Zimmerman?? What reason would a kid with NO record, armed with skittles attack a man almist twice his size...oh and carrying a 9mm??

    yes..he should be in jail pending a trial...
     
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    Gwayneco doesn't see it that way....the black got what he deserved. We are wasting our breathe with this clown
     
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    :confused:
     
  12. ChrisBosh

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    Zimm did nothing against the law by not listening to the po-po, that alone does not mean he should be in jail. BTW, the po-po already f'd up the investigation and that's why the FBI might be getting involved.
     
  13. Kyrodis

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    Great, we all agree that Zimmerman's an idiot who killed an innocent teen,

    Would you also agree that even if he somehow avoided criminal liability, he's tortiously liable and as a result should owe the Martin family compensation for his knuckleheaded actions?
     
  14. vlaurelio

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    they should have investigated better and not ask the shooters and witnesses leasing questions

    when a cop kills a civillian/non-suspect, will the investigation be the same as this?
     
  15. vlaurelio

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    but you would think that a young black man in a hoodie more likely to commit a violent offense than a young white man in a hoodie right?
     
  16. Depressio

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    More details emerge: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/20/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Someone posted earlier that they thought Zimmerman sounded drunk or high. I thought the same.
     
  18. RedRedemption

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    Ding ding ding.
    Not surprising to see the republicans of this board coming together to defend a white man shooting a black kid.

    I do agree with one thing though. We don't want to set any regrettable precedents here. Let the judicial system work. Everyone has rights. Even racist murderers like this guy.
     
  19. gwayneco

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    Uh, what?
     
  20. vlaurelio

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    http://allmediany.com/details_article.php?art_id=2521

    Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee—and the entire Sanford Police Department—is no stranger to looking the other way when the victims he’s paid to serve and protect have a different skin color than him. NewsOne reports that the son of a Sanford police officer got away scott free after sucker-punching a black homeless person. On camera. The Miami Herald reports that “In 2005, two security guards—one the son of a longtime Sanford police officer and the other a department volunteer—killed a black man they said was trying to run them over.”

    From the Orlando Sentinel:

    “Security guard William Patrick Swofford told investigators he opened fire on 16-year-old Travares McGill last summer because he felt he was in imminent danger. McGill was coming at him in a car, tires squealing.

    But a review of more than 600 pages of evidence shows that the bullet that killed McGill hit him in the middle of the back and that Swofford kept firing after the car was no longer headed toward him...

    The evidence also shows that Swofford and Ansley never identified themselves as security guards before McGill put the car in motion...


    The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People... accused Sanford police of protecting rather than arresting the guards.”

    The guards were acquitted. In Sanford, Fla., killing a child is OK—if that child is black.



    Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee (Image Source: The Grio)

    Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee doesn’t care that the cries neighbors—who were on the phone with 911—heard that night were of a boy’s. Zimmerman said the cries were his and Zimmerman doesn’t have dark skin, so what he says trumps the truth.

    Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee doesn’t care that neighbors openly complained about Zimmerman’s aggressive tactics as a neighborhood watchman. Because if Lee started to care about that, then he’d possibly have to arrest a white guy for killing a black child—of all the petty crimes.

    Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee doesn’t care that Zimmerman was such the petty tyrant in his gated community, and so fixated on black males, that even Zimmerman’s neighbor, the black Ibrahim Rashada, told a Miami Herald reporter he was scared to go outside—in his own neighborhood. Lee doesn’t care about that because keeping blacks out of his sight is the way Lee likes it.

    Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee doesn’t care that his officers threw protocol aside and didn’t test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol, despite law enforcement expert Rod Wheeler’s opinion that Zimmerman sounded intoxicated and was slurring his words, according to ABC News. Because Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee has sh-t for brains.

    The Good Ol’ Boys Club

    Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee is part of the Good Ol’ Boys Club—he will protect you, if you’re one of “us.” Anything you do against “them,” is OK, is justified, and Bill Lee will go through hell and high water to bend the facts and botch an investigation so that one of his boys don’t have to suffer for doing what in Lee’s mind, is a morally warranted act: attacking, even killing, someone who is part of “them.”

    Didn’t Martin and McGill deserve it—they’re children stupid enough to be born with a dark shade of skin. They should know. They should know not to be out at night. They should know not to wear hoodies. They should know not to be outside, at all, because Bill Lee and George Zimmerman and the Good Ol’ Boys Club don’t like looking at your ugly skin, the skin which makes you a dirty, inferior person—they don’t like the looks of you and you have to go out of your way to appease their hatred, and if you dare ask to be treated like an equal human being—like a human being with rights—if you dare assume you have the same rights as someone of pure, godly, white skin—then you take your life into your own hands. And Zimmerman and Bill Lee and all of Lee’s little friends have the right to assume you are armed, dangerous, ravenous, out to rape and murder and steal—and burglars deserve to be shot. And being a black kid is the same as being a burglar, who deserves the immediate death penalty—no trial, no jury—for swiping a good, hard working white person’s $30 DVD player they bought at Wal-Mart.

    Occam’s Razor

    You may think I’m assuming too much of Lee’s character. But look at the facts: this man is a police chief who has flaunted the law, ignored black victims and twisted the truth in Zimmerman’s favor beyond belief. Either Lee is incredibly incompetent and a sociopath; or he’s incredibly racist. We’d have to make a lot more assumptions to accuse Lee of the former; while all the facts point to the latter.

    Subconscious Racism

    Racism takes many forms. I’m not saying Lee dons a white robe and high-fives grand master wizards at his KKK meetings; I’m not saying Lee even thinks to himself black people—or other minorities—are inferior and deserve no protection from his police. But there is a subconscious racism that can be just as potent, and dangerous, as the conscious variety. A subconscious leaning toward people with white skin; perhaps if Lee were presented with two stories of an incident, one from a black person, and one from a white person, he’d be more inclined to believe the white person’s, though Lee wouldn’t know why—“gut instinct.” A subconscious categorizing of blacks as aggressors, whites as victims, and therefore not believing any story that doesn’t fit his mold—“gut instinct.”

    Lee will never admit he harbors racist feelings; because he may not know. But actions are stronger than words and Lee’s actions prove he holds a contempt for blacks.

    The Sanford Police Department: Ground Zero of the Disease

    It takes two parties to get away with murder: the killer, and the killer’s protectors. There is now a national outcry to arrest Zimmerman, who remains free, because a 250-pound, 28-year-old man approaching an unarmed child in that child’s own neighborhood, fighting with him, and then shooting him dead after the dispatchers on the phone specifically told the man not to approach the child, is considered self defense.
     

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