If the facts of the case are that he stalked the kid, lost sight of him, chased him down, through racial slurs at him and then physically attacked him only to shoot him when the kid tried to defend himself then it should be murder in my mind.
Bigtexx goes over the line.... but Kobe is a rapist and got away with it. I am not sure what the relevance is anyway. Maybe Kobe and Mr. Zimmerman can both rot in hell together.
Don't worry, if Damion chases you on a dark rainy night, as is his right of course, we'll make sure all the facts come out.
By the way, the back and forth between justtxyank and I SHOULD be how this debate and discussion forum works, not that stupid pile of **** bigtexxx throws around everywhere. Repped justtx.
It is a theoretically possible scenario, but highly, highly unlikely. It's something a defense could try to draw up in a trial. But it is so unlikely that charges against Zimmerman should be brought. Zimmerman(n) is a German name and means carpenter.
Huh? The headlines have repeatedly stated that he is white, and the inference is that race played a part in the event. He is Hispanic and fluent in Spanish. I don't think it has any relevance beyond the fact that race has been injected into the discussion...... it isnt a matter of saying "white folx" wouldn't do it, as much as it being accurate. Having said that.... things are not looking good for Zimmerman, there better be another side to the story, because at this point I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
As ATW said, the calling for help is after the first shot. What kind of bizarre scenario would Martin be beating on Zimmerman, Zimmerman fires a shot and then wails for help, Martin still beating him? That's awfully far fetched and very unrealistic. Like bigtexxx, I'm not sure what you're waiting for to convince you of murder. Short of a video of the whole incident, I don't think anything will. Do you also think evolution is an unproven theory because there are still gaps in the evolutionary line? It's not 100% mapped out, so there's still a chance it's not real, right?
I've already offered one possible scenario. What I'm waiting on is all the evidence to come to light, charges to be brought and a trial to occur. I hope you never serve on a jury TSchmal. Edit: And please don't lump with Bigtexx. We aren't on the same side here.
I'm coming to justtxyank's defense here. He was just listing out possible scenarios (and by possible I mean actually possible and not that carjacking **** Bigtexxx was saying). But yes I agree that the fight for the gun deal doesn't follow what happened in the 911 call. But Martin could have went for the gun, only to have Zimmerman fire the gun once as a warning shot and then Zimmerman decides that's good enough for a self defense case with the help of Sanford police and just shot Martin.
The scenario is really, really, really unrealistic. It is about as realistic as a Martian coming down to earth and having been the one who screamed for help. Who kicks the gun out of the hand of a guy twice his size - and then that guy screams for help while wrestling for the gun? Moreover, and I am sure this can easily be established, the voice of the person who screams sounds very different from Zimmerman's voice on the phone. I know that a screaming voice sounds different from a calmly speaking voice, but I believe these are simply two different voices.
This could seal the deal for Zimmerman. It appears that records show Martin was indeed not the aggressor. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-20/trayvon-martin-teen-shot-florida/53669448/1
Come on ATW, that's total hyperbole and you know it. Maybe Zimmerman is really a cowardly punk and when he pulled the gun he was shaking and they struggled and he lost control. But yes, who was screaming for help can, and apparently will be, established. That will be a huge piece of evidence.
I don't get what they mean. They have a "log" of the conversation? Like we will actually get to see the conversation in text transcripts?
If what the Martin attorney said is true and they have phone records that show Martin was on his cell phone with his girlfriend at the time, that would show he wasn't the aggressor, and that Zimmerman is guilty of some form of murder and not self defense.
Maybe. That's what it sounds like to me. Either way the fact that Martin is talking to his girlfriend at the time isn't something a guy who decides to attack another guy twice his size is probably going to be doing. If they don't have the actual text recorded, Martin's girlfriend can testify as to exactly what she heard.
That is in the realm of possibility but still seems highly unlikely along with Zimmerman's explanation that he was attacked from behind. Anyway under that scenario if Zimmerman pulled his gun first prior to Martin attacking that wouldn't make it self-defense. As I stated earlier if Martin did just sucker punch Zimmerman he has a case but more and more evidence is making that possibility unlikely.
