Trayvon Martin

1) I expect that he will get arrested and charged with something at some point

2) We do not know that Zimmer is 100% responsible for the death. If the kid reacted to being asked what he was doing by attacking Zimmerman, he shares some responsibility. That doesn't absolve Zimmerman of anything, but if your reaction to something you don't like is to lash out in violence, you have to accept that the consequences of that won't be good. To be clear, we don't know that's what happened either. It's just one hypothetical.

3) People in this thread are saying he should be charged with murder, murder 1, face the death penalty, it's a hate crime, etc. etc. There's no way to say those things based on what we know other than out of blind emotion.

 

I doubt I will get called a racist or threatened. Unlike you, I don't tip toe the line and then feign disgust when someone calls me out on it. I don't know if you are a racist or not, but there's no question you play the part of antagonizer in this BBS on purpose.

Don't try to act like we're on the same side here. I'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent.

 

if you have to ask this hundreds of times on a website to defend yourself, to put the burden on everyone else to prove you are a bigot, and the people of the website continuously provide you the evidence that you seek, then YOU are the common denominator...

I already pointed out the Kobe reference. KOBE was NOT CONVICTED.

yet in that thread of least liked athletes, you specifically left out the non-black athletes to criticize.

you referred to a black teenager, in the year 2012, as "the black"

In the Jeremy Lin thread, you made a comment about Asian-Canadians as if they were trying to immigrate into the United States, as if there aren't American born or Canadian born Asians in this great land of freedom you think you live in...

look it up yourself, you wrote it. you think you are funny, you write a racist comment, then you defend it and do not apologize for it.

stop asking for proof.

 

LOL

Come on really? Kobe wasn't convicted because his defense team pulled a BigTexx and walked the line of rape shield laws just enough to not get penalized while still tarnishing the young woman.

And, Kobe admitted the sex wasn't consensual as part of his settlement.

Non-consensual sex=rape. Kobe has admitted to being a rapist.

 

How so? How are your post getting smarter? You have less and less to say because the facts that were obvious to everyone with a soul are starting to come out. You can't defend Zimmerman anymore and they only thing you have left is the moment between the confrontation and the shot. The girlfriend’s story pretty much sums up the puzzle because Martin was cornered and then attacked. Witnesses heard Martin’s cries for help and the rest of the fact are sure to keep coming. You are a bigot and a half

And I've yet to see anyone call justtxyank a racist and probably won't....you know why? Because his post doesn't warranty it. He clearly said he doesn't take your side nincompoop because taking your side would mean he isn't that smart.

 

kobe admited he "understood how she felt she did not consent to the encounter." sounds like they couldn't convict him. we need more facts.

justice is blind right?

 

You misunderstand what happened. The woman was having her life smeared in the news. Her name got leaked to the press along with a picture of her. She decided she didn't want to go through with it and walked away from the charges as long he settled and acknowledged she didn't consent.

Unfortunately this is what happens in a lot of rape cases. The wealthier the person who commits the rape the more likely it is they will be able to get off without convictions.

 

His settlement statement was meaningless. He did so as part of the settlement agreement to get it over and done with. I don't consider that an admission of guilt.

 

OK, say Zimmerman approached Martin (note: 911 dispatch suggested he not do that) non-aggressively and Martin reacted aggressively. There was a fight, leading to a bloody nose and bruised head (maybe he got knocked down?) for Zimmerman. 911 calls confirm that they were "wrestling" to some degree.

However, also on the 911 calls, you can hear Martin screaming for help. You don't scream for help as you aggressively attack someone. Also, the screaming is after the first shot was fired (it has been called a "warning shot" by some). At this point the fight seems to be over and Martin is simply pleading for his life.

Does he go after Zimmerman again? Did that prompt a second killing shot? It seems far fetched that a teenager that was just pleading for his life to a man with a gun would suddenly attack the guy.

Note that all of the above (still conjecture) doesn't even bring in Zimmerman's past, his obvious slurring of speech in his 911 call, and his remarks made in that call.

 

If the above account is actually true, it sounds like murder. Of course, you are using the father's interpretation that the person calling for help must be Trayvon. Not because he could tell it was his son's voice, just that it had to be him under the circumstances. The police haven't verified that yet. What if it was Zimmerman calling for help while Trayvon is beating on the back of his head?

My point is until we know what actually happened between the two of them it is silly to say what the charges should be.

 

Very unlikely, given that someone was calling for help after the first shot was fired. I doubt that Martin could get around to beating the back of Zimmerman's head after Zimmerman already fired the first shot.

Moreover, it should be possible to identify the voice of the person screaming for help. Common sense indicates that it is Martin's voice, with a very high probability (in my opinion).

 

I shouldn't have taken the troll bait and should have just focused on the "f*#king coons" comment by the armed killer zimmerman.

big texxx- please ignore my comment and address the racial bias that Zimmerman displayed with that racial epithet.

 

Why does it matter? Why would it be offensive if he is (partly) Hispanic?

 

Well, yes, actually in the American court system if you can't prove what happened then you can't be found guilty of a crime. I'm sorry if you don't agree with that philosophy. Perhaps you'd prefer to live in a country where we sent people to prison without trials because we don't care whether or not there is proof?

 

I can agree with 1 & 3 but not 2, as the girl who was talking to Martin on the phone said she told Martin to run but Zimmerman caught up with Martin anyway and shoved him first. So Zimmerman started it all and Martin was simply protecting himself. Of course this is all based on that girl's recall of the phone call, but it's something we have to base it off of.

So Bigtexxx lets do a quick recap.

Zimmerman sees Martin walking down the street, calls the cops and says he's going to pursue him. 911 tells him not to but he goes anyway. He starts tailing Martin while Martin is on the phone with a girl. Martin sees that he's being followed and tells the girl, and the girl tells him to run. Martin speeds up and starts walking faster, eventually starting to run. Zimmerman catches up to him eventually, and according to the girl on the other end Martin was shoved, causing his headset to fall.

Now comes the second part, the fight. At one point according to a 911 call Zimmerman, the guy wearing a white tshirt and not a black hoodie, was on top of another person who the caller couldn't see. That would point at Martin being physically overpowered. Eventually Zimmerman pulls out his gun and fires a warning shot, which causes Martin to cry out for help. Zimmerman fires a second shot, this time hitting Martin in the chest, Martin goes down. Zimmerman comes out with a grass stained wet t-shirt (on the back) and a bloody nose and a scratch behind his head. That could be explained as Zimmerman was on top Martin was just doing everything he can to get Zimmerman off of him.

The last sentence was obviously just a deduction, but it's plausible as to how Zimmerman got his injuries based off of other evidence. Bigtexxx is too dumb to follow anything like that, all he sees is Blackie died and White guy is all good. You bring out the worst in people bigtexxx and one day you will pay for it.

 

Well, if it was up to the local police, it wouldn't even make it to the court system.

 

Trayvon hits him. Zimmerman goes down and fires a shot from his gun as a warning. Trayvon kicks the gun out of his hand and starts hitting him some more. Zimmerman is calling for help while they wrestle to get to the gun. Zimmerman gets to the gun and shoots Trayvon, killing him.

Is this not a possible scenario?

Again, I'm not suggesting that IS what happened. I'm suggesting we don't know.

 

I've already agreed that they are wrong if they don't think there should be any charges.