Kobe Bryant the most overrated player in NBA History?

And how did Bird lead their teams to more titles? Cedric Maxwell was the MVP of 1981 finals. Bird had Parish, D Johnson, McHale in the prime. That's 4 HOF and he managed to lead the team to win 2 titles.

Kobe got Gasol, Odom, 7p/5b Bynum and they're the most talented ever. Can LeBron nuthuggers be more ridiculous?

 

Don't kid yourself. Bird was the undisputed leader of the Celtics. Its similar to the 2007 Spurs. Even though Tony Parker won the Finals MVP, it's clear that Duncan was the team's leader.

You can't look at teams in a vacuum. You have to compare them to their contemporaries. Sure, the Celtics had Bird, Parish, McHale, and Johnson, but the Lakers had Magic, KAJ, Worthy, and Cooper. So you can't say that Boston clearly had the most talent.

On the other hand, the last 2 Lakers teams to win titles clearly had by far the best front court in the league.

Who are your top 10 all-time players in order?

 

Because he was the clear #1 option and best player on all 3 of his title teams. Do they not teach you LA guys how to count? Do you not know that 3 > 2.

Tony Parker, James Worthy and Joe Dumars were all Finals MVP's as well. Neither guy led their team to a title. In 1981 Bird led Boston in points, boards, steals and was 2nd in assists. Maxwell wasn't even their 2nd leading scorer. The same trend held true for the postseason, where Bird dropped 21/14/6 compared to 16/7/2 for Maxwell. Bird also made the All-NBA team and finished 2nd in MVP voting. In other words, you just asked a really dumb question.

Fixed for you. FYI, DJ wasn't on the 1st title team and it was McHale's rookie season in 81, so he wasn't in his prime dropping 10/4 a night. But hey, keep on giving us this awesome insight of yours.

Who said his team was the most talented ever? The most talented that year, yeah probably.

You are clearly showing us that no one can be more ridiculous that a Kobe fan. Go ahead and add Bird not leading a team to 3 titles to the list of other ridiculous arguments, like option 1B, points per shot attempt, dragged the worst cast ever to the playoffs, WCF is the real Finals, blah blah blah.

 

Did someone even imply that Cedric Maxwell was more important to the Celtics winning than Larry Bird?

 

Yea, a Kobe fanboy.

 

Hey, maybe he just googled 1981 season and saw Maxwell was the MVP.

 

3 for 20 shooting. BEST PLAYER SINCE JORDAN! LOLOLOL :grin:


His big man is 12 for 14 from da field, only missed a couple rough contested post shots and still shooting EIGHTY SIX PERCENT.........AND KOBE STILL SHOOTS EM OUTTA DA GAME SO HE CAN BE HERO! LOLOLOLOL

3 FOR 20!!!!

 

Bill Russell

 

what a r****d!

 

hahahahahahah. this is true.

 

i don't think that dedication has left the nba. Look at how much Lebron elevated his game in one offseason. All NBA players put work in their game, hell, even Bismack Biyombo stays after practice to work on his shot (according to Bobcats announcers). Dedication to the game is not a dying breed and never will be. It seems less serious because people have twitter, but for every Javale Mcgee or Gilbert Arenas, there is a Patrick Patterson or Kevin Durant, who are both dedicated to the game.

 

This. I really wish i could rep this, I hope somebody else does. Good stuff.

 

Overrated because of the media and the emphasis they put on superstars night in and night out. They always make the mj comparisons but everyone even Kobe knows that he will never be better than Jordan. He is such a polarizing player, you either hate him or you like him. He has been the most consistant player when compared to all his peers, the Vince carters and mcgradys alike. I think personally that he is top 10 all time I think when he hangs it up you will never see another player like him that has so much passion and love for the game. We will never see another mj, dream, magic, or bird just ppl who draw comparisons and maybe on the future ppl will compare players to Kobe because he deserves to join that elite group of all time greats. Watch him play and enjoy.

 

I respect your opinion and in the end there will always be a difference of opinion, but I am just curious to know who you have in your top 15 of all time.

 

Just look at his finals performances....

 

Found this badass photo

 

LOL, and 5>3, EPIC failure. Kobe had the number better than most final MVPs in 2001 and 2002 playoff, and he should not be credited? And somehow Bird should? In 2001 playoff, Kobe averaged 34/9/6 in 8 games sweep against Spurs and Kings, who were widely recognized as toughest opponents in playoff. And Shaq won FMVP because he was the best against the leastern teams. As long as Kobe didn't get the credit despite his better than Shaq performance in west conference, neither should Bird in 1981.

Your dumb fella tmac_1 said that, you LeBron nuthuggers can't even agree to one another. What a joke.

At the end of the day, the King cannot afford his own ring and has to GROUPON it. If he does get it, are you gonna note the discount?

 

Funny
15 yrs ago . . . Replace KOBE with MJ
and Replace MJ with Magic Johnson . . .
and
15 years before that. . . .Replace Kobe with Magic
and Replace Magic with Oscar Robinson

By and large . . . As for his All Defense . . . well . . who is better at his position
in this era of NO DEFENSE really . . I am not talking about begging for charges
and flopping

I think each generation is benefitting more from favorable star calls
and weak sauce rules. . .

Kobe is the best in his era . . . . but his era is a bit watered down
That said .. . I think he would still be good in any era

Rocket River
I remember talking to my Grandfather . . . we told me once upon a time
switching hands on the dribble was considered double dribbling.
Could you imagine all these crossover kings . . if they had to do all dribbling
one handed????

 

I guess you missed the word "led". So not only do they not teach y'all how to count in LA, but they don't teach y'all how to read either?

Thank you for offering concrete evidence on how you guys try to overrate Kobe. Usually when you have to try and select a series here or there you know your argument is moot. Kobe himself has acknowledged that he was not the primary option on those teams so it's pointless to debate this with you. You didn't realize Bird was the man on that team and that's ok, because no one here thinks you know what you are talking about anyway....so you haven't embarrassed yourself anymore than usual.

As far as the rest of your post, the only one mentioning LeBron in here seems to be you. Are you sure you aren't the LeBron nuthugger?