[TheGuardian] Far-right supporters agree with armed attacks

Extremism triggers extremism.

 

how do they define "far-right"?

 

Indeed. Intolerance also triggers intolerance.

 

Yes, true. It's a dilemma that advanced, tolerant societies have. Followers of intolerant ideologies can abuse their "weakness" (as they see it). The question is how to best deal with it. I know we do not agree on that, but I understand your point of view.

 

Nobody but the voices in your head said any of what you just posted.

These politicians are not the root cause. They are also not all the same.

E.g., Marie Le Pen is a racist. Sarrazin is probably somewhat prejudiced (partly based on personal experience), but I don't think he is a racist. I don't think Wilders is a racist either.

Sarrazin and Wilders are a REACTION to something that has been happening, so they cannot be the root cause. Le Pen, on the other hand, is a genuine racist (like her father), her motivation is different.

 

link?

 

Exactly, Islam is not a race. I certainly did not say it was. It is an ideology and a religion. And in some of its forms, it is peaceful, and in others, it is hateful, intolerant and violent.

No, they are not the same. Some of them are opposed to the spread of an ideology of intolerance, hate and violence. That has nothing to do with racism. Marine Le Pen was raised in a household where her father, a definite racist, repeatedly denied the Holocaust and made other racist remarks (like that there are too many colored players on the French national team, etc.). So I do think there is a difference there.

Opposing the intolerant and violent elements of an ideology != racism.

Wilders/Sarrazin = populists who oppose certain parts of a certain ideology
Le Pen = racist

 

source?

 

I don't have any real source, and perhaps I am unfair. I just know for sure that her father is/was a racist, and I guess I am assuming that she is the same as her father.

 

She is not advocating burning down mosques, like your grand mufti from Saudi Arabia is doing it for churches.

But interesting to see what bothers you more.

 

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much as I dislike Sarkozy, I don't think the fact that the Le Pens are racist can be disputed, and Sarkozy exposes this pretty well.

I can't find an English version of this, but the quotes are just hilarious.

Le Pen: "You talk about anti-Islamic racism, and anti-Semitic racism, and anti-African racism, but you don't talk about a form of racism that happens here in this country. Anti-French racism."

Le Pen: "I accuse you of being responsible for the aggravation of the immigration problem. Your policies let thousands of extra immigrants. I bet you cannot even determine how many people live in this country anymore!"

Le Pen: "Your illegals come by the millions!"

but the capper---ahahaha.

Le Pen: "If you fail, you should leave the country like you said you would."

Sarkozy: "Well then, here is a new difference between me and you, because it's been forty years that you have been failing, and it's been forty years that you've stayed!"

Le Pen: "...but, me I haven't failed! *incoherent yelling about Chirac???*"

 

I'm not here to defend the LePens. I find them very distasteful.

But the fact of the matter is that she did not, while your mufti did say what he said. And it's happening.

 

Murderer was another Muslim, just like the last time this happened in Belgium. Bad example if you were trying to make a point. At least read the articles you post.