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Kevin Martin still here. Good or bad?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dachuda86, Mar 15, 2012.

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Are you disappointed Martin is still in Houston?

  1. Yes, I am disappointed

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  2. No, I am no disappointed

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    45.4%
  1. apollo33

    apollo33 Member

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    lol at 22 being old, he's a rookie that hasn't gotten playing time in like 40 games, oopity doo
     
  2. Moonscope

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  3. HiGHurNAMEis

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    Not at all. What I am slightly disappointed in is he isn't our sixth man. He would be perennial at that position. He would instantly jump from being 18per to around 22-23per.

    James Harden - 30mpg 17ppg 21per
    Manu Ginobli - 22mpg 12ppg 25per
    Jason Terry - 30mpg 15ppg 15per
    Al Harrington - 28mpg 15ppg 16per
    Tracy McGrady -17mpg 45%fg/60%ft 15per

    All these players come off the bench for their respective teams and are effective. All of them are all star player or at least have/had potential at one point in their career. The variety of salary is not a factor for these players accepting their roles because majority of them are trusted in finishing games off. This is my only issue with McHale not making this adjustment, I've felt this way since the season started. It would give K-Mart an advantage to compete against lesser talent, solidify our starting perimeter d with Lee, & what ever situation we are in we can have either one in the game at the two. It just makes too much sense not to do it.

    Now I am not declaring Lee is better than Martin that is not the case at all. However according to our needs pertaining to making our starting five more balanced Lee fits better. Martin is a top five sg at the end of the day.
     
  4. Moonscope

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  5. fallenphoenix

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    time will tell... i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that shoulder was really bothering him. let's see what he can do when he's "healthy" again
     
  6. leebigez

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    I'm trying not to be so critical,but help me understand wy they didn't sell martin today? I mean, I see the chatter will be about an all time low,but that's why he was traded to the rockets anyway. So fast forward and the sulking keeps going. His value is low and will be low because of the kind of player he is.
     
  7. Rookie34

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    Perhaps a sign and trade package (Martin, Lowry, Scola) for DWill this offseason? I doubt it, but you never know ...
     
  8. ROXTXIA

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    Morey can package Martin in an off-season deal or amnesty him. Addition by subtraction. He's killing the team.
     
  9. got em COACH

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  10. THELANDLORD

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    I am glad we did not trade him at the deadline, because I feel he would have been worth little value the way he has been playing... Now with our playoff push we can have another solid guard and in the playoffs (knock on wood) we have a player that can take over a game if hot
     
  11. mr. 13 in 33

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    so are we having him come off the bench or were still gonna start him
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    Watch him start killing it now that the deadline is over.

    *snicker*
     
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    I wanted him to be traded but now that he isn't hopefully he gets his game back on track
     
  15. Sooner423

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    I'm hoping he digs his head out of his ass and starts playing ball.
     
  16. vstexas09

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    Kevin McHale didn’t let Kevin Martin off the bench during crunch time in the Rockets’ overtime loss against the Celtics last night (6 March). Kevin “Steve” Martin is a waif too weak to defend most professional basketball players (he turns the opposition’s average screens into great screens, and their great screens into cement walls), and so he often sits crunch time. But he’s actually not a terrible isolation defender. Really, Martin isn’t terrible in any isolation situation. On offense, his range, ability to draw fouls, and crafty moves off the dribble make him a tough cover one-on-one.

    In fact, his isolation-heavy instincts and skillset have made Martin a baseball player on a basketball court—he plays basketball like it’s a game predicated on station-to-station principles, rather than a free-flowing one. When Kyle Lowry doesn’t call a play for him, Martin stands on the perimeter, generally halfway between the corner and the top of the arc, and barely moves. This isn’t necessarily bad, as he’s always ready for an kickout as the secondary or tertiary action in a possession. But even noted ball-stoppers—Carmelo, Kobe—aren’t as allergic to off-ball movement as Martin is. Like an on-deck hitter, powerless to help the man at the plate, Martin waits until his teammates fail or succeed before he does anything.

    In the pick-and-roll, “Steve” Martin’s a man of leisure. Rounded, east-west movements, rather than any acute angles or north-south pretensions. On the fast break, Martin’s a risk-averse third-base coach. If the ball swings to him and he doesn’t have a direct path for a layup or a complete no-brainer pass, he’s going to reset.

    None of this is all that bad—in the halfcourt, he’s a great safety valve and he’s always a force for good spacing. On the fast break, he seems never to turn the ball over. In the pick-and-roll, he’ll often just end up with an iso after he resets (a decent outcome for the Rockets).

    “Selfish” in basketball is a negative quality, one that explodes in our minds images of contested shots early in the 24, low PER numbers, coaches getting fired, and Stephon Marbury. But Kevin Martin is selfish in a different way, in the way baseball players are selfish. Marbury’s selfishness was a concept-less free-for-all; he was simply a player not in control of his appetites—he shot the ball the same way fat people overeat or kindergarteners don’t share. But Martin’s selfishness is a paradigm: “If we work to stay out of each other’s way on the court, we can win some games.” The jury’s out on Martin’s variety of selfishness as a winning strategy (McHale’s crunch time lineup last night seemed to repudiate it, certainly), but there’s a good reason Martin’s selfishness hasn’t, and shouldn’t, lead us to consider him a gunner.
     
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  17. radcan61

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    And that could be really big in playoffs
     
  18. Carl Herrera

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    Did not get the offer they wanted. There is plenty of time to trade him after the season ends if you choose to go that direction. No reason to make panic trade.
     
  19. OremLK

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    How many rookies get less than 100 minutes in their first season in the league (without injury) then go on to be above average players?
     
  20. danoman

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    Good for now, we need him for the playoffs after that im sure morey is gonna try to squeeze the best deal out for him in the off season.
     

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