That makes complete sense what you just said. I think a few guys are just too slow to comprehend any of that and frankly homer glasses are hard to see through.
Why would I be fed up? Morey has for nothing but show me logically sound moves That improve our team.
What do we have to give up for these superstars without gutting our lineup? Martin? Laughable Plus gasol said he didn't want to play here
So your suggestions are: -do the trade we did and weren't allowed to do, except be allowed to do it -pair it with the backcourt we now have or a similar one -make more good trades for good players Okay then, sounds like a plan.
I don't see why you would be fed up with Morey in these trades. You got a 1st rounder and an insurance player in Derek Fisher for a garbage player in Hill. Yes, Hill sucks...i SAID IT!! Then you got Camby for some bag of chips in Flynn and Thabeet. How can you be disappointed??
when no one wants your "assets" and that's your whole freaking strategy ...um ...call me crazy, but that is frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when will Morey-ball pay off? used to be a member of the morey fan club. now i'm with the haters.
I've been a big DM supporter... but my patience has worn thin.... Tellin me we couldnt have gotten Beasley for KMart? Kmart is done here and just goin through the motions... Okafor and a lottery pick wasnt available? Everyone keeps cryin they want us to tank to get a lottery pick - DM claims Les wont let him tank and build through draft.... Okafor woulda been a better option than Sam @ another 6M/yr.... ida done that...
I'm not talking about the trade that got canceled, I think the Lakers would have taken Lowry and Scola for Gasol. We could have made other moves if that had been done much earlier. As much as I love Lowry, I think we have a better chance at building a contender and getting more stars to want to play here with him than I do with Lowry.
Ah, that's fine then. I disagree that Lowry should have been included in a Gasol deal and I've already made a bunch of posts on that elsewhere, but it's a shakeup at least, it's an alternate path from where we are now, true.
I would hate to lose Lowry too, but I think even with the trades we did today, if you put Gasol in our lineup and take away Lowry and Scola, we are a much better team. Would you agree with that?
Yes, for this year and maybe next. It's the other facets of the trade (salary, age) that I was never on board with.
I've been critical of Morey in the past, but really there was nobody out there that wanted anything we had (without robbing us). I still think we should tear it down while continuing to collect 1st round picks (no matter how late). This plays to his strength which is the draft. BOTTOM LINE , 9.5 times out of 10 you have to draft your alpha dog superstar. Teams don't give them away easily. Until then, Camby probably walks at the end of the yearand I hope Fisher is shown the door immediately. Ho-HUM.
Well, that's all I'm really saying. If we would have traded Kyle, Scola and Hill for Gasol, Fisher and the 1st earlier, I think we still have several pieces to upgrade our roster even better before the deadline. Heck, I doubt it, but maybe if that is done early enough, Dwight doesn't get scared of being shipped to Houson and thinks that playing with Gasol and CLee might not be so bad and that he can convince DWill to come to Houston the following year. My thing is that by most indications, the Lakers were ready to do that deal, but we didn't want to do it hoping they would take Dragic instead becaus we wanted to pair Lowry with Howard maybe, or felt we needed Lowry in the Howard deal. I think if we make that trade with the Lakers early and first, the whole conversation and perceptions starts to change. We could have even maybe paired Gasol with Camby and Okafor or Kaman, without having to give up Parsons, Lee, Martin, Bud, or even Morris. Many other possibilities were out there.
Honestly I think it is the people who want Morey gone who expect him to be a "god". It's like some of the fans really believe a GM can "jedi mind trick" other GM's into trading away their superstars. What some people can't seem to grasp is that it is possible to exceed expectations on your picks and trades, and still not have the "assets" necessary to get a superstar. Not because of mistakes, but because you haven't had any top lottery picks due to your team over achieving. I understand being frustrated and underwhelmed, but I haven't seen any explanation on how another GM would have us positioned to win a championship right now. Getting another SF in Beasley for Kevin Martin would have made us better? Trades for Okafur would have gone thru the league and we know our history there, plus Okafur makes another $28 million over the next two seasons after this year. The Hornets backed out of trade talks with the Cavaliers involving Emeka Okafor and Antawn Jamison, since Cleveland insisted on acquiring one of New Orleans' two 2012 first-round picks. Based on that we would NOT have gotten a first round pick from the Hornets either.
Just a question for most people who have this same mentality and try to think logically and realistic for a second. Who,that is a star that is, has actually been truly attainable? Not a sarcastic question really because I feel like I'm missing something you guys obviously saw possible.
Honestly I don't have a better GM in mind to take over for Morey, just not completely happy with not making a major move. Honestly I think Les is hampering him a bit and probably more involved than he should be, although it is his money, so he's ultimately allowed to be. I just think we really missed out on the Gasol deal because we overvalue Lowry. Gasol is a building block to a contender, not saying Lowry isn't, but Gasol is more right now. With all the bigs that were available at this deadline, building a hugh frontcourt would have made us relevant in the playoffs without giving up much more than Lowry, Scola, Hill, maybe Dalembert and expirings. Dragic/Fisher(cough)/another pg trade Martin/Lee Parson/Bud/Morris Gasol/PPat Camby/(Okafor/Kaman)/Smith with Lull and Mon coming over next year. I still think we could have even package some more of those before the deadline to get even stronger..preferably a better backup point.
I think it was pretty clear that Lowry/Scola for Gasol was a deal the Lakers wanted. I do understand how some don't think that is the best deal for us, but it would have been much more of a splash than what we did today. If you were Dwight and decide you wanted to opt in so that you wouldn't be traded to Houston, do you think you would rather have been teamed up with Gasol or Lowry? Especially since you really want to play with DWill down the line. A team committed to Lowry is not really gonna chase Dwill.
How are people so down on Morey? He stockpiled assets that are set to expire this offseason in order to give us a shot at a decent free agent. He used the trade deadline today to strengthen our team without hurting us at all, and give us a better shot in the playoffs. He's acquired potentially three first round picks in an apparently extremely deep draft. Yeah, we haven't won a championship with him, but it's rare that someone takes over a mediocre team and takes them to a championship (or multiple championships for that matter) in a matter of a couple years. Hell, we waited nearly thirty years before we won one championship, and then we somehow pulled off a second title in a row. That's a rarity in the NBA. The biggest problem with Morey ball is that our team has had more turnover in recent years. That's something that excited some people, and others don't like it as much. Morey ball is also, in a way, about taking a few gambles. That's fine with me. I have a feeling that if we end up with three picks in the year's draft, and a little money to spend in free agency, our gamble is about to pay off.
